coffin smoother with tote

3/30/05, 1:00 PM #1

Jack Guzman from Maine
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coffin smoother with tote

Jack Guzman from Maine

>I was asked to post a picture of this in the hand tools chat room.What I called it was a coffin style smoother with a tote. I don't believe this is that unusual though.I believe my description was a little faulty. I believe this would be called a razee style smoother.

I got this cheap and really like the style.This one is a mess.The front is split,glued and held together with screws and there are several nails in the sides. It has a nice clean iron and chipbreaker.I'm going to try to reproduce it using some 12/4 hard maple I have left from making my bench.I could probably make it useable real easy but I want to make a plane anyhow and this one would make a good project.

I have one question.How should I orient the grain?This one has the grain running parallel to the sole. Is this why it cracked? I was also thinking that the iron may be a little wide for the body. I may make it a bit wider for that reason.

This will be my first attempt at making a plane. I'll post results when I finish.---Jack

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I am a carpenter by trade.Also a handyman/Jack -of-all-trades.I work around my neighborhood mostly helping people keep up their old houses.I have a fairly large woodworking shop in my house where I work with both hand and power tools. At the moment I'm focusing on Windsor chairs building.I will build most anything if needed. I'm always learning,adapting,changing trying to broaden my woodworking skills.I work mostly with hand tools in my shop but will use power if it is a better way to get the desired result. My wife,Donna,and I live in the woods of Maine with our dogs,cats,and birds. We have 5 grown kids and six grandchildren. Woodcentral has been central to my growth as a woodworker. I pass through this place every day.

Re: coffin smoother with tote

3/30/05, 1:11 PM #2

Pam Niedermayer
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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Aha, you're crackerjack. I don't know how unusual this is, but I don't remember seeing one, pretty cool.

I think you want the grain running back to front.

Pam

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3/30/05, 1:42 PM #3

Jim Reed @Tallahassee
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Old timers and grain

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>Grain was oriented on traditional wood moulding planes like the following: take a piece of quarter sawn beech and use the outside part for the sole. In other words, when your plane is finished, the wedge goes into the side from the interior of the tree and the sole is from the outside of the tree. That leaves the wood most apt to move on the sole. Good move because the sole is the part of the plane that can be adjusted (shaved down).

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3/30/05, 2:18 PM #4

Clay C in Miami
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Clay C in Miami

>Also, you want to watch the difference between back-to-front, and front-to-back. You want the sole to have the grain running to the back, and 'out' slightly from the front to the back, so you're not pushing it against any grain ends.

Maybe not so clear, let me know if I need to take another bite at explaining it.

Clay

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3/30/05, 3:43 PM #5

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L. Hanson

>While this graphic shows a section for a slightly different style of plane, the grain orientation is the same for a coffin smoother - even with a handle:

I've seen several handled smoothers like that, and have always intended to make one like it - looks like it would be fun. I think the tote has several benefits.

Here's a couple I did make and wrote about, if you're interested:

Coffin Smoother

A Handled Bench Plane

HTH

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3/30/05, 8:34 PM #6

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Mike Swindell

>Jack,

What are the overall dimensions of your plane ? Is the the tote made separately or is it part of the whole plane ? This looks like it could be an interesting project. I have some 4x6 IPE and perhaps this will qualify for a project.

Mike

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3/30/05, 9:45 PM #7

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>The plane is 9 5/16"long,2 3/4" wide at the iron.Tapers to 1" wide at the tote.The main body is 2 5/8" tall and the tote reaches 4 3/8" at the tip of the horn. The tote and plane are all one piece.

This plane is all iron.The iron is 2 1/4" wide.Theres only 2 1/4" of sole in front of the iron.The iron lays almost right on top of the tote.I can't wait to see how it works.---Jack

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I am a carpenter by trade.Also a handyman/Jack -of-all-trades.I work around my neighborhood mostly helping people keep up their old houses.I have a fairly large woodworking shop in my house where I work with both hand and power tools. At the moment I'm focusing on Windsor chairs building.I will build most anything if needed. I'm always learning,adapting,changing trying to broaden my woodworking skills.I work mostly with hand tools in my shop but will use power if it is a better way to get the desired result. My wife,Donna,and I live in the woods of Maine with our dogs,cats,and birds. We have 5 grown kids and six grandchildren. Woodcentral has been central to my growth as a woodworker. I pass through this place every day.

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3/31/05, 1:43 AM #8

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Mike Swindell

>Jack,

Thanks for the dimensions.On another forum a member made a plane similar but with a separate piece for the tote which would make it much easier to make. I don't think I'll be chiseling my way thru IPE to make mine, I know I'll go the sandwich method. I have some nice cast steel blades looking for a home. Good luck and keep us posted as to your progress.

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3/31/05, 8:12 AM #9

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>I don't know how unusual this is, but I don't remember seeing one, pretty cool.

Discussion of C&W razee smoother on OLDTOOLS

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3/31/05, 8:14 AM #10

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>A long standing "one day" project of mine is to make a scrub plane in this style.

This will be made Krenov/"Steve Knight" style i.e laminated construction.

Since a scrub blade is narrow, there is no problem making the closed handle "block" wide enough to form the majority of the bed.

BugBear

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3/31/05, 9:11 AM #11

Pam Niedermayer
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Thanks, Paul, but it's a one-off

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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3/31/05, 12:02 PM #12

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no picture?

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>I'd like to see a picture of that plane.Is one around?---Jack

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I am a carpenter by trade.Also a handyman/Jack -of-all-trades.I work around my neighborhood mostly helping people keep up their old houses.I have a fairly large woodworking shop in my house where I work with both hand and power tools. At the moment I'm focusing on Windsor chairs building.I will build most anything if needed. I'm always learning,adapting,changing trying to broaden my woodworking skills.I work mostly with hand tools in my shop but will use power if it is a better way to get the desired result. My wife,Donna,and I live in the woods of Maine with our dogs,cats,and birds. We have 5 grown kids and six grandchildren. Woodcentral has been central to my growth as a woodworker. I pass through this place every day.

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3/31/05, 3:44 PM #13

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Re: Thanks, Paul, but it's a one-off

paul womack

>The C&W is a one off, but the post said:

...Scioto Works razee... which I assume was made in quantity.

BugBear

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3/31/05, 3:53 PM #14

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Re: no picture?

paul womack

>His site is long gone, but I kept this...

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3/31/05, 3:53 PM #15

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3/31/05, 5:27 PM #16

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>Thanks.I saved a copy .---Jack

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I am a carpenter by trade.Also a handyman/Jack -of-all-trades.I work around my neighborhood mostly helping people keep up their old houses.I have a fairly large woodworking shop in my house where I work with both hand and power tools. At the moment I'm focusing on Windsor chairs building.I will build most anything if needed. I'm always learning,adapting,changing trying to broaden my woodworking skills.I work mostly with hand tools in my shop but will use power if it is a better way to get the desired result. My wife,Donna,and I live in the woods of Maine with our dogs,cats,and birds. We have 5 grown kids and six grandchildren. Woodcentral has been central to my growth as a woodworker. I pass through this place every day.

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3/31/05, 10:30 PM #17

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Re: Thanks, Paul, but it's a one-off

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>And it's not coffin shaped. The only planes I've seen which some close in shape are some old infills; but they aren't wood.

Pam

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3/31/05, 10:45 PM #18

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L. Hanson

>These aren't mine, but when I was looking for patterns, I could find pictures of them easily enough - these are both Sandusky planes:

Another one:

Both the Sandusky catalogs from 1877 and 1925 have images of them - I don't believe these were uncommon, just more money than the unhandled version so not quite as common as those are. I could be wrong, though...

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3/31/05, 11:04 PM #19

Pam Niedermayer
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Thanks, Leif.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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