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Very new, very old mortising chisels

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Very new, very old mortising chisels

Christopher Schwarz

>There has been a bit of chatter lately about mortising chisels, and if you're thinking about buying some for your work, you might want to hold off for a few months (if you can) because soon you'll have an additional tool to consider.

Ray Iles is jigging up now to produce traditional early-19th century mortise chisels, what some people call the pigstickers. Joel at Tools for Working Wood will be selling them, and he let me work with the prototype for a couple weeks, and I was quite impressed.

I've always used sash mortising chisels (Sorbys and Marples for the most part, and I have one Japanese mortiser). I've never had any particular complaints about these tools, but they weren't my favorite things to use.

The Ray Iles was like a revelation. The handle (beech) is double tapered, which gives your body the feedback it needs to hold the tool straight on and square in the cut. The blade itself is a massive thing. The prototype I used was A2, though I'm told that the production models will be D2. Like a traditional mortiser, the Ray Iles tool tapers on its side � that is, the backside is a shade wider than the front side. These tapered flanks make the chisel easier to remove from the cut after hitting them with the mallet. It really does help.

The tool's mass and ergonomics make hand mortising much easier than I've ever experienced. Joel and Ray Iles are still working out some of the details, such as whether or not the cannel of the tool will be rounded like some historical examples show and they are tweaking the handle. The tool initially will be available in 3/16", 1/4" 5/16", 3/8" 7/16" and 1/2". They'll be expensive, I'm sure, but worth it.

Joel tells me he's taking pre-production orders. You'll have to get in line behind me, however. I ordered my set this morning.

Chris

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>On a few occasions when I've stopped by to see Joel, he's been real excited about something new. Last time it was the Auriou files, this time he had these pigstickers. Fact of the matter is, Joel's usually real matter of fact about the tools he sells....when he get's all excited about a new tool...well...got to admit I cancelled my order with LN the same day.

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Louis Bois

>...and where can one get a "peep" at these new chisels?!?

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Joel

>production will have slight changes. The cannel (bevel) will round into the front of the chisel to make it easier to lever out deep mortises. The front edge of the chisel will be rounded side to side a little to make it easier to hold. (both of these changes are copied from the early 19th century).

Availablity: before summer.

(hand and shirt not included)


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Brad in Ottawa

>Sounds great! I picked up a set of Ashley Iles for carving and have been very happy with them. (They came super sharp ready to go!)

Just wondering about the chisels ... how does D2 compare to A2 for sharpening and edge retention?

Brad

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Oh no...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>May have to start saving my pennies...

Wonder if I can get my hand around one, those handles look large.

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William Claspy in Cleveland

>Joel, can you post a price point on these?

Bill

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Bill Murphy/Reading,PA.

>Thanks for the report Chris.

I bought the American Pattern Beveled Edge Chisels by Ashley Iles from Joel and they have become my favorites for dovetailing. I will definately check out the mortice chisels.

Bill Murphy

Reading, PA.

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I have a set of the American Pattern

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>..as well

I like them alot. Very nice feel and they work well....

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Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>very interesting...

I have 3 ECE mortise chisels that work fine but I'd be very curious to see how these perform and feel in use.

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If I may..

Adam Cherubini, NJ

>You know how antique tools have that lovely feel to them that is conspicuously missing on new tools? Take the Kirschen (Two Cherries) mortisers, for example. I've heard many of you complain about their handles. I find they have a club-like feel that's decidely different from antiques. Their steel is good and until now, I thought they were the best alternative to antiques.

This tool is really a reproduction that, IMHO captures the sense of an original. Its very clear to me that the manufacturer is both well acquainted with old tools, and is willing to not reinvent the wheel. All the little details I've grown to love about antiques are there, the balance, the taper, the draft, the bolster, etc.

I don't know jack about the alloy. I hope it will be cheap enough for average woodworkers to afford. But as for the general design, if you like antiques, my guess is you will like this tool. Its really a modern reproduction.

Adam

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Taper or no taper?

Jim Reed @Tallahassee

>I was unhappy with commercial stock, so I made my own. I usedsquare stock with no taper and found that the full side helped cut the sides of the mortise.

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Didn't I see that in a very old Hitchcock movie

Eric Hedberg

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joel

>It's possible - Hitch was English and his woodworking films are brilliant. My favorites are:

"The 39 Steps to Dovetailing"

"North by Northwest - a guide to skew planing"

"Frenzy - or a guide to Glue Ups"

"Dial M for Mahogany"

"Rear Window Sash Making"

"The Trouble with Tearout"

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I liked his cautionary tale of us ...

Eric Hedberg

>WoodCentral type posters;-)

"The Man who knew too much"

I tip my hat to you punmanship. Eric (By the way those chisels do look pretty good)

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Just what I needed

Bob Lang

>I've learned to avoid temptations coming my way from Chris Schwarz. When he had the pigsticker here in the shop I managed to look the other way and not pick it up. Now Adam enthusiastically weighs in and now I find I NEED them.

Oh well, the kids pretty smart, he should be able to get a scholarship to college.

Bob Lang

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Dean J in MN

>Chris --

How does it feel up against your shoulder? :)

-Dean

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Christopher Schwarz

>Ah Dean, leave it to you to get to the good stuff.

It works well. Very well, in fact. I did quite a few Cherubini-esqe parings with it.

It hogs. (Yes, Joel, you can use that quote to promote the tool. Chris says: "It hogs.") I am from Arkansas after all, so "hogging" is my highest praise.

cms

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Don't worry Bob

Christopher Schwarz

>I'll be happy to share my set.

Of course, I'm going to have to pawn a huge quantity of the company's PostIt notes on eBay to pay for the entire set; but oh well, that's what corporate malfeasance is for!

cms

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Re: I liked his cautionary tale of us ...

Joel

>I missed:

Dial M for Mortise

and

The Lady Varnishes

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and

Eric Hedberg

>The Birdsmouth

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Joel

>We are still working on pricing but it looks like there will be a discount for pairs and sets but the range will be from 54 for the narrowest up to 98 for the widest. I know what you are thinking but the dollar is very weak. The tools are really heavy and use a lot of material, and there is tons of hand work to make them. The good news is of course that unless you are like me and want full sets of everything, you only will have a call for one or two sizes.

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Adam Cherubini

>Seriously though, I'm reserving judgement until I see the finished product. I like the idea though. There are a few antiques I use that can't currently be replaced by similar functioning new tools. I think that limits people from taking up the hobby, which isn't good.

As far as the price goes, it's a once in a lifetime thing. You won't need another set later. These are pretty specialized tools. You also may not find use for more than 3. So whatever the cost, its not like molding planes where 60 is a good starter set and 150 aren't too many!

Adam

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Not to mention

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>The Birdseye Maple, shortened in theatrical release because the original title didn't fit on theater marquees.

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Dean J in MN

>Good to hear... Sounds like a bit of my tool budget may be headed to Joel. :)

-Dean

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