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rocky elo

>I know this is the hand tool side but how many here prepare their stock by hand? I have been using a jointer/planer but am wanting to learn using hand planes. Is this a skill that takes a while to master? What planes and steps do you use? I have Cosman's "Rough to Ready" video and he uses (I think) a scrub, smoother, and jointer. I only have a LV LA Jack. Do I need more planes (just say yes so I have an excuse to buy more) or can I get by with it. Last question, any other good videos or books on the subject? Thanks

Rocky

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Warren in PA

>I use a wooden fore (jack) plane (15", slightly rounded iron) for rough work. Metal planes are more tiring to use for extended periods. I find a short scrub plane more tiring also - a little like driving a truck with a small steering wheel and not much leverage. I use a 22" wooden trying plane on the face of the board ; it is also less tiring than heavy metal.

You will need a straightedge, a square and winding sticks to do a tidy job.

Metal planes are ok for edges and endgrain because these operations are relatively quick and fatigue is not a factor.

Save your smoothing plane until after your joinery is done and you are ready to glue up or finish. Often you need only do the sides that show.

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Angus Barclay, in New Zealand

>I prepare my stock by hand but most of New Zealand timbers are quite easy to work (unlike the hard stuff from Australia).

Yes, you need more planes. You really did want to hear that, didn't you?

For me, a scrub, jack, jointer and smoothers cover all my prep work needs. Some purists may suggest you also need a trying plane but I've managed to do without.

Stock preparation skills don't take long to learn. For me, the trick was in learning to sharpen each blade according to its intended usage. The scrub has a pronounced curve, while the jack is also curved but only slightly, the jointer is sharpened straight with "eased" corners, and the smoothers have a barely perceptible crown.

regards

Angus Barclay

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paul womack

>Neanders can (and have) argued endlessly over the finer details of stock prep.

But Rob Cosman's video will tell you more than enough to get going (and then you can join the arguments ;-)

BugBear

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Here is another recommended video that includes footage of four-squaring a piece of rough stock. I could not find it a Cambium, but Craftsman Studios lists it.


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Kingshott Video at Craftsman Studios

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Cambium sold out to Amazon a year or two ago. Manny's says they have a copy. When you get to the page, choose the video category.

Pam


Manny's woodworking books

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JimG

>I highly recommend this video. The best thing I learned from it was to recognize the unique slicing sound a properly sharpened plane should make. Made me realize I needed to hone my sharpening skills.

jim

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rocky eulo

>My next project is a Shaker side table. For a project this small (18"x18" top, 28" legs) do you think I could get by with a scrub and a LA Jack? Can the Jack be used as a smoother and to joint shorter pieces?

Rocky

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Warren in PA

>You could easily do such a project with just a jack plane. Take your time and stop when tired. When you are done you will know your plane better and have a better idea of what is involved. If you had a second iron you could put a slight radius on it for course work.

For a second plane I think I would want a little smoothing plane.

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rocky eulo

>Thanks Warren. By little smoothing plane do you mean a #3.

Rocky

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Dean J in MN

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I know this is the hand tool side but how many here prepare their stock by hand? ... I only have a LV LA Jack. Do I need more planes (just say yes so I have an excuse to buy more) or can I get by with it.

You always need more planes, right? I prepare all my stock by hand, I think you'll find a lot of folk on this side do as well. And as mentioned you'll find a lot of techniques and debate as well. For me, a scrub or fore (jack) plane, followed by a try plane is what I use for face jointing. The smoother comes later after the parts are ready to be assembled. Edge jointing depends on what that edge is used for. If I'm not edge jointing for a glue joint I just use the try plane and call it good.

My next project is a Shaker side table. For a project this small (18"x18" top, 28" legs) do you think I could get by with a scrub and a LA Jack? Can the Jack be used as a smoother and to joint shorter pieces?

Well, I think this project is a good one to start learning hand stock prep. Little tables have taught me a lot about working by hand. One of the lessons they teach is you really have no need for 4 square stock prep in this project. That fact will save you time yet still teach a lot of the techniques of stock prep. This may also mean leaving behind what you have learned on the machine side. The aprons need only one flat face, the insides can be left rough, and there isn't any need to thickness your apron stock at all. The edges of the aprons need only be roughly square to the face as you aren't making a glue joint. It is best to surface a single board long enough to cut all your aprons out of. This saves you time making each apron the same width. If that single board is ripped to width first, all your aprons match by default. The top again needs only one flat (and this can be just close) face, and only roughly thicknessed (so you don't twist the legs/apron when you attach the top). The legs need only two edges square to each other (the faces which you will later cut your mortises in), the other faces just have to be close enough to please you.

Can you do the project with just your Jack? Sure. But it probably isn't the most efficent use of your energy.

A scrub is nice, but a jack with a cambered blade and a wide mouth will get you there as well. That is the first plane you face joint with. Then a longer try plane to even that surface out -- this plane has less camber on the blade.

The catch for you (with only the jack) is the jointer, a plane with no camber on the blade. (A "jointer" with a cambered blade is really a try plane). You will need to edge joint boards to make your top and will need a plane which can do this. On a short top the length of the jack you have is doable, but the blade should have no camber. So in a pinch a second blade, used for glue jointing can be put in your jack. I have a long wooden jointer, and use this plane to make edge glue joints. I clamp the two boards face to face and use this plane until I get full length and width shavings. When you unfold the boards you are left with a nice joint. A cambered blade does not work for this.

So, you picked a great first project... Rob's video covers the use of winding sticks, etc. Take what you can from the video but keep in mind he 4 squared that sample piece. You can stop after the face is flat and out of wind (for your aprons) and you don't need to sweat the thicknessing of your top, just get it close. If you plan on cutting a bevel on the underside of the table you have a little more freedom on thicknessing step. If you are going to have a square edge top you will probably spend a bit more time.

Welome to Hand Tools!

-Dean

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>What you really need is a broad axe and adze:-))


Tool Demonstration

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>Followed by a drawknife and shaving horse


Tool Demonstation Drawknife

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Warren in PA

>I was just thinking of something smaller than the jack plane. I like the #3, but many prefer the #4. The wooden smoothers are pretty sweet as well.

I think Dean submitted a rather helpful post since my last one.

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rocky eulo

>Do I have to wear that outfit? Green is not my best color.

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rocky eulo

>Dean. Thanks for the great post. I ordered a second (HA) blade with my Jack. Would you recommend using that blade for edge jointing?

Rocky

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Dean J in MN

>If you keep that second blade square it will work as a jointer, but I'd plan on a longer plane at some point if you can. Camber your current blade.

-Dean

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Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I would use the high angle blade for edge jointing and final smoothing. If you setup the low angle blade for the rough work, it won't matter too much if you get tear out since you'll be going over the surface with the high angle blade later.

By the way, the rumor I heard is that LV is coming out with a LA jointer this summer. The nice things is that the high blade that you bought will fit into this plane also.

Wendell

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Adam Cherubini

>That guy makes me tired just looking at him! He musta had an extra large triple mocha espresso latte-cino. Boy look at him go.

Adam

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>And no union ten till the honey do's done

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A bunch more

Dan Donaldson

>Neat site Jonathan, for the rest, here is a link to the main video page. There are more interesting videos there. Thanks for the link.

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Dang! It won't download for me

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>What's the software?

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Quicktime  *LINK*

Dan Donaldson

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Quicktime free download

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Well, that explains a lot. Thanks.

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