Est. 1998 — 27 years of woodworking knowledge
Record T5 "technical jack"
Kevin F, New Zealand
>I have acquired one of these planes, and, like many of its type, it is missing the side handle - used in shooting. Could someone who has one (a side handle) please measure the thread for me? A few measurements of the handle would be very welcome also, so I can make a replacement that resembles the original.
Many thanks
Kevin
Re: Record T5 "technical jack"
John Horobin
>There are two different sized threads. Any idea on the age of the plane?
John
Re: Record T5 "technical jack"
Ed Mulligan, Cape Cod
>My T5, circa 1970-1975, accepts a 1/4" x 20tpi bolt.
Ed
A question...
Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA
>Does it have a split yoke or cast one? I can help if it's a split, stamped steel yoke.
Re: A question...
Kevin F, New Zealand
>The yoke is cast.
I have no idea of the age. Here are some factors that might help to date it if it was a Stanley bench plane:
the paint is dark blue
in front of the knob is cast "RECORD", oriented so that you can read it from the user's point of view
behind the knob is cast "T5", in the same orientation
the tote and knob look like dark-stained beech
the lever cap has "MARPLES" cast into it, so that's not much help
the adjusting knob is brass, 1 1/4" diameter
the lateral adjust lever is two pieces (or perhaps 3, if you count the disk that engages the slot in the blade). The little bit on the end is a single thickness, tennoned through teh shaft, and secured with 3 centre punch dimples
there is a frog adjusting screw
alongside the tote is cast "MADE IN" on one side and "ENGLAND" on the other side, parallel with the sides of the plane
the blade is marked "RECORD" (in a round-cornered rectangle), and "TUNGSTEN VANADIUM STEEL MADE IN ENGLAND". The chipbreaker is marked "CORRECT ANGLE FOR GRINDING", with an angle that looks like 30 degrees
the frog receiver is a Y shape
The hole for the side handle won't accept a 1/4-20 thread - it's smaller than that. The shank of a 11/64 drill will go into the hole (ie, it's smaller than the thread root diameter), but a 3/16 won't. 4.5mm is a better fit than 11/64.
Hope somebody can help me from all that. Thanks to those who replied so far.
Cheers
Kevin
Re: A question... *LINK*
Ed Mulligan, Cape Cod
>Kevin -
There are some obscure British screw specifications. Whitworth is one of them. See link.
Re: A question...
Kevin F, New Zealand
>Thanks Ed. I am familiar with Whitworth. All the (British) cars I had during my teens and twenties were put together with Whitworth and BSF (British Standard Fine) fasteners. I still have all the spanners. Maybe I can find some bolts to try in the plane.
Cheers
Kevin
Or, as motorcycle riders used to call it
Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA
>"Worthwhit," so named because it's not worth a...
What I love are the transitional vehicles, not just British - Volvo did it too - in which some fasteners are metric, some SAE, and even some Whitworth. I guess this is why people invented crescent wrenches.
Re: Transitional Vehicles
Jay St. Peter - Southern MD
>I wonder if the transition will ever be complete on US vehicles. Back in the '80s Ford decided to transition to Metric. I'm guessing things from the parts bin stayed SAE and new stuff was designed with metric bolts. So, on my '86 Mustang GT I would find the occasional bracket with a metric bolt.
On my '98 F150, most stuff is Metric. But, I still find the occasional SAE. I'm confused by this as they don't seem to be parts bin stuff. For example, the screws that hold the speakers in the doors use an SAE socket. So, I still have to drag out both sets just in case. Do you call this transitional, or just mixed?
Jay St. Peter
Re: Transitional Vehicles
Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX
>You should try an MGB, three "standards:" whitworth, metric, and sae. It was a treat.
Pam
Re: Transitional Vehicles
Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia
>Jay...The components that were designed and entered production before the change will still have the SAE fastners. Any thing that was clean sheeted after the late 70's should have metric fastners. So sub assemblys that are still being used with SAE fastners are out there. There are a few different metric systems. ISO comes to mind and I don't think US designers use that standard.JR
Good Excuse for More Tools
Todd Stock
>
I think...
Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia
>that the manufacturers considered the cost of new tooling when they "phased in" the metric fasteners.
After I finally retooled for the new stuff I had to double my tool box size too. Twarnt cheap!JR
Re: A question...
paul womack
>The hole for the side handle won't accept a 1/4-20 thread - it's smaller than that.
Try a knob or tote bolt, which is also 20 TPI, but smaller OD. IIRC that fits the older planes.
Making a bolt in this spec is another matter. Let me know how you get on.
BugBear
Re: A question...
Kevin F, New Zealand
>I found some old bolts that are 3/16" diameter and 24 tpi, that fit in the side handle hole. With those parameters they could be Whitworth or UNC - but since it's a Record plane, I'm picking it's probably Whitworth. Or there might be yet another thread that is 3/16 * 24.
At any rate, I now have something that will fit, so I can make a replacement handle. Anyone have any measurements of the original handle?
Thanks
Kevin
Handle pic
Ed Mulligan, Cape Cod
>Glad you were able to find a compatible bolt. Here's a scan of the handle from my T5, circa 1970-1975.
Ed
Re: A question...
paul womack
>That's 3/16" BSW (as opposed to BSF, if you care)
BugBear (surprised)
Re: Handle pic
Kevin F, New Zealand
>Thanks so much, Ed, that's just what I needed.
Cheers
Kevin