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? on hide glue soaking through veneer

Matt Williams

>I am trying to make a drawer front with curly maple veneer. I am having a really hard time because the veneer is very crack prone even after using a water & glycerin spay and flattening it. I also had the hide glue soak through and now i have dark spots. It actually came through, it was sticky in these areas. I assume that due to the curly nature the fibers in theses areas are running up and down instead of horizontal to the board which allowed the glue to wick out the other side.

Any suggestion so nhow to avoid this in the future?

Thanks!

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Sgian Dubh

>Matt, there's nothing you can do to prevent most glues oozing through the pores of single sheets of veneer as they are applied short of using a manufactured two ply type, e.g., with a paper backing-- and the manufacurers glue often oozes through too. Impact glue doesn't generally show through, but impact glue isn't a serious contender for single ply veneer.

This characteristic of deviating grain at the surface (which gives the interesting figure in the first place) is also the cause of blotchiness during staining, dying, and even polishing and is commonly noted in cherry, hard and soft maples, European sycamore, etc..

The phenomenom is exactly as you describe, the glue passes along the short open vessels showing itself on the top surface, and certain types of figure as you discovered are prone to it.

Coarse pored or open grained woods are particularly likely to exhibit the trait, e.g., white oaks, walnut, and mahogany.

Road oaks have few, or no tyloses at all, to block the open pores so glue always seeps through to the top surface.

The usual technique is to let the glue dry and then go over the whole surface with a glue wash to fill all the grain or choke the pores followed by normal surface preparation. A glue wash is glue diluted with about 15- 20% glue and the rest water. Slainte.

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Chris Knight

>Hide glue on the face of veneer is not a problem, after scraping and sanding, it will finish just fine.

In traditional hammer veneering you have to put hide glue on the surface as part of the process.

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Matt Williams Marysville WA

>The glue came through the veneer and now I have dark areas on the veneer even after scraing and sanding.

Thanks for your responses.

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Sounds like the occurrance is normal enough that the glue wash is the solution here. If you hammer installed the veneer the glue would have saturated the face of the veneer anyway. Since your veneer is

uneven in appearance the only cure is to even the face by adding more glue. JR

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