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Any Veritas scrub news?

#1

Any Veritas scrub news?

Clay C in Miami

>I just pestered the good phone folks at LV about whether the upcoming Veritas scrub has an item number yet, with no joy. (The gentleman asked "Where did you hear there is such a thing?" I told him " 'Cause Rob Lee is a big ol' tease.")

Any dish about a release date? And, while I'm thinking about it, are any of our posters here 'beta testers' for this new toy, and if so, any comments?

I was justthisclose to pulling the trigger on an old 40, when I first heard the whispers about this coming up ... so I'm waiting. Not patiently, not in good humor, but waiting anyway.

Clay

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Rob Lee

>Clay -

Atleast three people on this board have/have used the first few scrubs (5 made). We had a couple of small tweaks to do, and are waiting for the production castings...

Can't quote a date - but it's definitely inside of 12 weeks, and may be as soon as 6 ....

Heavy smooth is about the same time-frame....

Cheers -

Rob

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#3

Bird's eye view... *LINK*

Rob Lee

>...but a tad small...

Have to run - headed to the Toy Show in NYC....time to start thinking about Christmas!

Cheers -

Rob


scrub

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paul womack

>And, while I'm thinking about it, are any of our posters here 'beta testers' for this new toy, and if so, any comments?

I would imagine that such beta testers are sworn to silence.

BugBear

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#5

heavy smooth?

Ernie Miller Topeka

>you all ready have a 4 1/2 so what is a heavy smooth?

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#6

Re: heavy smooth?

John Meikrantz

>It is a low angle version of the 4 1/2. Heavier, wider version of the existing low angle smoother. Will share common iron with the other larger low angle bench planes (jack, upcoming jointer), so you can buy an additional high-angle blade, and swap it between your planes when you need to.

John

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#7

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>I think Rob has a plane problem sure we all like to use them but he has it just as bad making all of these new designs. I'm not complaining I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

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#8

Help me to understand....

bill tindall

>Can't one make a perfectly servicable scrub plane out of any old clunker plane? If so, why would anyone buy a new one or eagerly anticipate the arrival of a new model? I curved the iron on a cheap (read not collector quality) No5 and it removes wood at a breath taking rate. To my surprise it is one of my more used planes. Even in this Used tool "desert" I can find cheap No 5's, so availability can not be an issue. To those inclined, it is a great first plane to make because it has no tolerances to worry about and success is assured (take notice ken c!).

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#9

Lighter weight...

Tim of Dublin

>A scrub should be as light as reasonable if you're a neander. If you only use it occasionally, weight (or rather the lack of) isn't as important.

Once you thickness 10 or so sq ft of lumber with a much heavier #5 or #4 converted for rough use, you should start to appreciate the need to shave as many ounces off a scrub plane as possible.

I really like the ECE wooden scrub. I also really like my Knight rough work plane (18 or so inches long with a cambered iron and open mouth and made mostly of black walnut - hence very lightweight).

Tim

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#10

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Dale Stansbery

>Interesting. I have an old Dunlop #3 that I converted to a scrub sometime ago that works great. I recently purchased a Stanley 40 1/2 thinking that scrubbing would be even more efficient. I haven't used it much yet, but my first impression is the heavier Dunlop's mass is more beneficial on the first cuts on rough sawn (pretty rough off a circular saw) compared to the 40 1/2. I haven't had time to weigh them but the Dunlop seems heavier. The 40 1/2 seems to chatter more, and not continue the cut as smoothly through the saw marks as easily as the Dunlop. Admittedly I haven't super tuned either, so there may be a little more at play here than the weight. I almost posted this originally under the LN Scrub post above, but didn't since I hadn't weighed either yet. I do wonder though whether it's accepted that a scrub should be light because the Stanley's are, and am I just in the minority in thinking a little more weight helps.

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paul womack

>A "bench" plane can be converted to remove stock more effectively, as you have experienced.

A dedicated scub has the following changes which are not possible (with a lot of metal work) in a conversion:



  • Light weight (no extraneous parts)


  • Thick blade


  • No cap iron



For these reasons, the ECE wooden scrub is widely recommended, or you can make your own; scrub planes have massive tolerance for constructional mistakes (no 2 thou mouth to aim for ;-)

BugBear

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#12

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I think that one could add narrow blade to that list.

At least, narrowerer than a #5 blade.

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#13

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Clay C in Miami

>Bill,

I had/have exactly the same thought ... I initially figured I could pick up a 40 pretty cheap (I mean, the number of folks who still square stock by hand, plus the collectors, shouldn't add up to a tenth of all those old 40s rusting quietly away in basements, right?)

But, it became apparent that a 40 was gonna be pricier than I expected, so my next thought was to find either a beater #3 or an old 'horn' type German/Scandinavian scrub, or convert any fairly narrow horn-type plane to a scrub. But again, either they were too pricey, or seemed too wide, or had awfully thin irons.

I could make my own (I've made a few Krenov-type planes, with amazing [to me] results), but it seems that a scrub needs some kind of handle, whether tote or horn. To use for long periods, and push hard, my more-or-less block-shaped homemade planes aren't gonna be very comfortable. I considered adding a tote to a homemade plane, but I've not tried that yet, and finally decided that, by the time I make the plane, make/find and install the handle, find/buy a reasonably thick and narrow iron and get the bevel shaped, I might be better off buying one.

And somehow, even to me, a LN scrub seems ... I dunno ... excessive. Like buying a fancy, precision-machined ivory-inlaid pry bar or some such. It's rough work with rank mouth, I felt like my LN money could be better spent elsewhere. I had ultimately decided to keep hunting for a reasonably-priced old horn-type scrub.

But, when I heard that LV was coming out with a new one, and knowing of their happy tendency to rethink and often improve some old designs, for fair $, that seemed all-around like a good solution. As Rob says these will be priced about the same as their shaves, that sounds like a winner for my needs.

Incidentally, I was in a shop last summer which had a dining-size table whose surface looked to be straight off a scrub. The short-radius tracks looked like they'd perhaps been burnished a bit, and then finished. I will tell you, no one who came into that shop (a very high-end tourist trade) could keep their hands off the thing. Wives calling their husbands over, everyone who walked in loved it, all without having any notion what it was - it was obvious that the appeal was primarily that it was very obviously hand-made. I had my own doubts about practicality (looked like stemmed wine glasses might be awfully unstable on it) but I couldn't argue with the popular appeal.

So, that's how I came to be eagerly anticipating the Veritas scrub - but I agree with you that at first blush it seems odd.

Clay

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Re: LN Scrub *LINK*

Dean in Burlington

>I have 8 LN planes including the 4.5, 5.5 and 8. Of them all my favorite plane is the scrub. I love the size and lightness of this plane. It is very good for one handed operations when making the "first side flat". It is nice and skinny too which is good when making large chamfers. Here is a shot of myself making a 3/4 inch chamfer on the top of my large stair spindals in Jatoba using a LN scrub. I cleaned up after with LA block.

To me the LV scrub seems too heavy and big which would limit my favorite 2 uses of the scrub.


http://www.woodworkersweb.com/modules/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=albuv61

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Re: LN Scrub

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I never thought of using a scrub for that sort of chamfers. Looks like it works well!

What is the yellow thing on the wall, in the photo with that skinny guy planing? (above the LN chart)

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#16

Re: LN Scrub

Dean in Burlington

>That's funny. They are just stubby wrenches I use for my bike. As you can see from the bike seat on the wall I haven't quite cleared all my bike stuff from the garage.

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#18

Appreciating the Scrub

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I agree - the scrub is a seriously underappreciated tool. I've owned one for several years, but only recently begun to realize its capabilities.

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