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Dovetailed stepstool

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Dovetailed stepstool

Dave Mount

>I'm avoiding doing something that I really should be. . .so why not post pics instead?

This is a stepstool design I cobbled together by copying elements of 2 or 3 others I've seen. I've made several of these; although they're pretty simple, they seem pretty popular with the recipients. This one's in cherry. Joinery's handcut, but I used apprentices for initial stock prep. The back stretcher is dovetailed into the sides.

Sorry about the fuzzy pic -- I don't have a place to post and that's as good as I can do in 40K.

Dave

Dave Mount, Two Harbors, MN


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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Nice looking stool. It's amazing how attractive a simple piece like that can be, and how much people can like it.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I like the looks of it, too; but how does it work for an adult. The steps appear too narrow for an adult foot. Is this just a perspective problem?

Pam

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Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Very Nice Dave,

What are the dimensions of the stool and how did you finish it?

Thanks,

Dan Clermont

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Mike in Mystic

>Probably a dumb question, but on these types of stools do you make 3 separate assemblies where you cut the dovetails (for each step), and subsequently glue them together? Or do you glue up the sides first, and somehow cut the dovetails at that point? I'm still learning handcut dovetails, but this has been a project I want to make.

Mike

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GolfSteve in Calgary

>Very nice, Dave. Tell us a bit about the construction method...

Do you make the sides in one piece with steps cut-out, then dovetail in the treads? Or,

Do you make three 3-sided rectangles of different height, then glue the rectangles together to form the stepstool?

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George Huron

>Cool. Here is one that I made. The cross members are dovetailed into the sides and the steps have stopped dados cut to accept the sides. This was all done using hand tools. The panels were jointed by hand plane and then flattened using a hand plane. The curves were cut with a bowsaw with a rasp doing the final shaping. Step stools are fun, and quick to complete but they will keep you on your toes (pardon the pun).

It is surprising how sturdy these can be.

I think I may develop a class around a dovetailed version similar to the one you made.


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Re: step width

Dave Mount

>Hi Pam--

The steps are 4.5" wide. Whether that's wide enough depends on the person and situation. If you use it in stocking feet, your feet definitely "hang over", and I wouldn't want to stand like that for a long time. Just a quick trip to the top shelf is no big deal.

That said, 4.5" is wider than most stepladders, so if you have shoes on, they are more than adequate.

Best regards,

Dave

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Re: Construction details

Dave Mount

>Several have asked about the construction details, I guess I can't avoid sharing them and exposing my dirty little secret. It�s an easy project; you can make one in a long evening, at least if you don�t have to spend too much time on stock prep (or if you have the appropriate apprentices).

The dimensions are 16" wide and 24" tall; intermediate steps are at 8" and 16". The sides are 14.5" wide at the base (more on that below). The back of the sides tapers in 1" over its length. I did this to move the "tipping point" back a little; I was afraid it might be a little unstable if I didn't, though aesthetically, I'd rather the back side was completely vertical.

The sides begin as three boards, two 4.5" wide and one 5.5" wide. Usually make these circa 3/4" thick, but it's not critical. The narrower side pieces are 8+ and 16+ inches long, the wider 24"+. I leave the side boards a little long until after they are glued and I can cut them all at once. The three treads are all 4.5" wide and 16" long. If I've got the stock thickness, I leave the treads thicker, like 7/8" -- I think the dovetails look more interesting when they are joining stock with different thickness.

Cut the treads to final length and square one end of each side board. Decide what pieces go where and label them all (this is really important to keep track of when you start to cut the DTs). Then lay out and cut all the dovetails. If the steps are a different thickness than the sides, make sure to get the right gauge marks on the right pieces. For the top step, lay out the dovetails so the front of the top step is flush with the inside edge of the long side board. This makes the back half pin 1" wider than it "should" be; that is dealt with when the sides are tapered later. I don't cut the taper until after the sides are glued together -- it's a lot easier to clamp if everything is still parallel.

Mark the front edge of the back and middle side boards 8" down from the top -- these are the index marks to see where to align the pieces when the sides are glued. Now my embarrassing secret. Because of arch in the bottom the sides, all the weight of the person is born by the glue joints on the sides when they are on the middle step, so you are really depending on that joint. This is especially of concern at the front, where the remaining glue joint is relatively short. To help reinforce this, I used some. . .ah. . .er. . .�oval splines� to reinforce the joints. If you wanted to be completely neanderbub about it, you could use splines set in stopped grooves. An even cooler approach might be to inlay butterfly keys to the joints after assembly. Haven�t done that, but it might look pretty interesting and would keep the joint from sliding if the glue starts to fail. Whatever you use, keep track of where the cutout will ultimately be, so you don�t end up exposing internal joinery when you cut the arc later.

After the sides are glued up, cut the bottom square, 24" down from the top of the highest step. Make the circular cutout to make the �feet�. Mark in 1" from the top of the top back of the side, and cut a 1" taper along the back. Rather than measuring in, you may want to dry assemble the top step and just mark where the top step meets the side, and taper down from there. That�s actually how I do it, though in theory there�s no difference.

Dry assemble everything. All that�s left to do is fit the stretcher. The sides are usually parallel on their own, but if the back legs are splayed in or out, cut a spacer the right length and clamp it in place to put the back legs where they are supposed to be. The size of the stretcher is unimportant, I think I usually make it about 2.5" wide. Cut the ends into a dovetail, then transfer the marks onto the sides (I think I usually put it about 6" up or so) and cut the sockets for the dovetailed stretcher. Glue it all up.

The finish is personal preference. I like shellac because it�s fast, easy, and forgiving, but it makes no difference. Be aware that film finishes can be slick underfoot, particularly in stocking feet.

My only discomfort with the design is the reliance on the glue joint as, presumably, someday it will fail, and a failing stepstool is a disquieting thought. Builder beware, the stool is only as safe as that glue joint is strong. In addition, although it looks nice, it might not be the safest stool in the world because it�s possible for your foot to slip forward between the steps since there is no riser. On the other hand, I�m not sure I�ve ever seen a stepstool with full height risers.

Hope I got all that right! If anyone builds it, let me know how it goes.

Thanks.

Dave

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Re: step width

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Yes, I thought about ladders before posting the previous message. They work with narrow steps because you use the top section as a handle. Note how precarious a ladder feels when you run out of "handle."

With your stool, and perhaps George's, it looks like your foot would tend to move into the gap and trip on the next step. I don't know, maybe it's just because I've always had these metal things with plastic treads inlaid that are about 10" wide.

Pam

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Re:Stepstool plans and pics

Gary Smyth

>Other classic Shaker stepstool plans and pics can be found in available sources: "Making Shaker Woodenware" (pic), Kerry Pierce; "Mostly Shaker", Norm Abram; "Book of Shaker Furniture", John Kassay; "How to Build Shaker Furniture", Thos, Moser; American Shakers and Their Furniture, John Shea (bad pic). Some stools are two steppers and some three. There is even an example of one with a long rear "steadying" handle in the Kassay book. Some feature dovetails, some use a cross brace at the rear, some use stopped dados, and some tenons. Take your pick on this classic stool.

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Re: step width

Dave Mount

>Point taken, a wide step is more stable. On the other hand, your sense of imbalance near the top of a step ladder is created by your mind based on the situation, generally far enough off the ground a fall would hurt, and in an application where you have nothing to steady yourself if you start to lose your balance. If my step ladder is leaning against a building, I stand on it "no handed" in complete comfort, because my mind knows I can reach out to the building to steady myself if need be. Put it out in the middle of an open area, and I feel unsteady doing exactly the same thing. However, ask me to stand on the first step no handed, then it's no problem.

Similarly, I could waltz across a 2x4 laying on the ground no problem. Put me standing on the top plate of a wall being framed and I'm not so confident.

Most apps for a step stool are to reach something (e.g., a high shelf) in which case that structure is there for balance if needed.

Of course, no one should do anything on a ladder or stepstool that feels unstable or unsafe. To repeat some great advice I once heard relative to table saw safety, "If it seems kind of dicey, it probably is, don't do it."

Like most things, "adequate" depends on the situation.

Best regards,

Dave

Dave Mount, Two Harbors, MN

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Well, a ladder leaning against a building is more stable than a step ladder out in the middle of nowhere, and a 2X4 on the ground is stronger/more stable with the ground to back it up.

Anyhow, I really like your and George's stools, they look great, and was simply looking for some feedback on how it works.

Thanks,

Pam

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