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Chalk one up for the good guys!

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Steve Kubien

Chalk one up for the good guys!

Steve Kubien

>Morning everyone,

My shop is in a constant state of flux. While undertaking the current rearrangement, I had to move my lumber rack to another concrete block wall. While drilling holes for the Tapcons, my drill shorted out and blew the cord right off the handle.

I calmed down and picked my heart up off the floor. Not wanting to waste precious shop-time, I gazed at my handtools, chucked the masonry bit in an egg-beater and finished drilling! Of sure, each hole took about 2 or 3 minutes. And I was sweating by the bucket but there I was, drilling in concrete while BB King played in the background.

I don't think I'd want to do that in pour concrete but it sure felt good to go with handtools where electrons had failed! Life can be grand sometimes.

Thanks for listening,

Steve Kubien

Ajax, Ontario

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wayne anderson

>Steve,

You realize that they used to make hand-operated hammer drills don't you? Smells like a tool buying opportunity to me!

Wayne

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Star drills too

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Hand-turned, hammer-driven...and very hard to break. Slow as the proverbial molasses in January (in New Hampshah), though, and on the century-old concrete at my house, not always very effective.

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Re: Star drills too

Dave Anderson Chester, NH

>Manty years ago I had to drill about 60 holes in a concrete floor for anchor and used a star brand dril w/holder and star anchors. It was definately a whole lot of work turning the thing a 1/4 turna at a time with each strike of the hand sledge. Frankly it's not something I'd like to repeat if I could avoid it.

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Re: Star drills too

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Hey, I wasn't recommending it - merely mentioning that it's another hand-powered "hammer drill."

Bill, one of the weak modern generation

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Pneaumatic with carbide bits - a superior way

Victor Parisian

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An old hand-drill story... Long and O.T...

Jonathan Kaplan (OR)

>The stories of using hand-drills for concrete brings to mind the stories about some of the earlier days of rock climbing, when people were using hand-drills to put bolts into granite walls... The following story appears in a number of places, I think I got it from a book by John Long, but I can't recall... So anyway...

Back in 1975, Tobin Sorenson was one of the best, and boldest, rock climbers in California... At Tahquitz Rock, in Idlywild, he and his mates were putting up some of the hardest routes yet done... Even where there were no cracks to use for protection gear, they put the climbs up "on lead" -- starting from the ground, they'd climb until they found a no-hands stance, and they'd hand-drill a hole for a small bolt to be used for protection...

There was, the story goes, a line that Tobin and his friends had been admiring for some time. Beautiful rock, but it didn't seem to have any cracks to place protection gear in, and no good stances to drill. Eventually, they managed to convince themselves that there was a small ledge one could drill from about halfway up...

So, one fine day, Tobin starts up this climb. It is steep, and sustained, and there is no place to put in gear and no place to stop and drill until he gets to that little ledge, about 40 feet from the belay. The ledge is much smaller and slope-ier than it looked from the ground. He can *just* about let go with both hands, but as soon as he hits the drill (similar in style to the aforementioned Star drills), he has to grab on again to keep from falling off. If he falls, he looking at an 80 footer... So, he settles in, hits the drill, drops it (he's got it tied to his harness, so it doesn't go for) and grabs the rock. Settled back in, hits the drill again, etc.

Half an hour later, he's been reduced to near-tears. His leg-muscles are burning from standing on that little ledge for so long, and the hole isn't finished yet. He's considering just climbing through without placing the bolt at all, or just jumping and hoping he doesn't hit very much in the 80+ feet before the rope catches him... His friends encourage him to finish the hole...

An hour later, more or less, he finishes the hole, taps in and tightens the bolt, clips into it, and, without weighting the bolt at all, finishes the climb (another 40+ feet of very hard, very delicate climbing...).

Even today, with rock climbing standards so much higher than they used to be, only the very skilled and very bold will try "The Edge" (as the climb is called). The little 1/4" bolt Tobin got in has been replaced by a beefier 1/2" bolt, put in on rappel, but the 40' runouts still keep most people away.

Looking up at the climb, and seeing that tiny little edge on which Tobin stood to drill that hole, well, the fact that someone with just a hand drill managed to put a bolt in there is just mind boggling...

jk

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>When I was installing a french door on concrete slap, the electric drill ran out of oomph pretty quickly, had to finish the screws off with a brace. Same with screwing new plywood into 2X4's, could get about halfway with the electric, then had to finish off with a brace. The other tool that worked for a bit was one of the Goodall-Pratt Yankee-type drill; but I made the mistake of trying to change the bit, never could get them inserted properly so they'd stay in place. Very tricky devil.

Pam

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Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

>Oh, I used a brace for driving the anchors. I picked up on of them hex-bit holder thingamabobs's for a brace from Lee Valley. I'd like to pick up a 6 or 8" brace just for the purpose.

Steve Kubien

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This is kind of comforting

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>because I thought I was alone in being a damfool.

Some years back, before I owned more ladders than I can find places to store them in my leaky barn, I patched a hole high on the side of my watertower by standing on the very highest safe step of my one (short) extension ladder, reaching up as high as I could, and using one hand to hold the block of wood and the other to hold the hammer. My skin was busy clinging to the siding, but my nerves were rather distracted, running little movies of me falling off the ladder. I didn't, which you can observe by the fact that I'm writing this and stringing together more or less coherent sentences.

I have since come to a fuller realization of my mortality, and would now go out and rent a proper ladder or something.

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Re: Star drills too

Dave Chatham

>A holder? that's cheating! As I recall, it was hit and turn , hit and turn, hit and turn, smash hand and swear, hit and turn!

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