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Working green oak with metal planes

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Working green oak with metal planes

Dave Mount

>I made several ladderback chairs (per Drew Langsner's book) and am now to the stage of making and installing the back splats, which are 3/16" thick pieces of "quarter riven" (can't properly call these quartersawn) red oak. I did the green working of the legs and spindles in August, but they had to dry before getting to this stage, so I split out the blanks for the splats then and kept them frozen (until SWMBO demanded the freezer space back) or in water until now so they'd stay dead green.

Anyway, the riven blanks are about 1/2" thick on average; Langsner suggests working them down with a drawknife, but it seemed to me that I could do a better job nearly as fast with a jack plane set rank. So I waxed the bed of a jack and was successful at shaping the splats very quickly. However, when I went to steam and bend the splats the next day, I had some of that familiar black iron/oak staining.

I know I can treat the stain with oxalic acid to remove it, but is there a trick to preventing it from happening at all? Is it foolish to use a metal plane for this operation? Or would I be better off using a woodie? Some of the staining is in distinct spots, which makes me think there may have been tiny bits of metal dust that got deposited, maybe residue from sharpening. Other parts have just a light general haze, which looks more surficial and may be just transfer from the bed of the plane. That will probably sand or scrape off easily, but the "particle" type staining is down in the open grain and will probably have to be chemically removed.

Any suggestions appreciated,

Dave

Dave Mount, NE Minnesota

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George Huron

>I don't have enough experience working green wood to answer your question. I do have a question for you though. Where do you get your green wood. I am planning to put together a green woodworking class in San Antonio, Texas and need a source for green wood.

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Are you sure your iron contamination didn't come from iron salts in your water? I ask, because here on the Cohansey, there is lots of iron in the water, and raising the grain on oak requires bottled, deionized water. If I use tap water in the glue bucket (for cleaning yeller glue off the surfaces) or in the hide glue, or for grain raising or for disolving analine dye, I get the little black spots.

You could always tell your customers that it is an antique, not a new piece, and they are fly specks, a critical patina component (spider specks are much more prevalent in my shop), or maybe they would buy a "pecan" finish :^)

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Bob Hackett

>I`d use either a woodie or a transitional plane on green oak.

If the black stains still appear try spraying the still wet wood with lemon juice,it works on turnings.

Mainely,Bob

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I got started with green...

David Miller from Iowa

>woodworking - let it ride. By the time the stuff gets dry (and sits in the sun a bit) the staining will be nothing more than an interesting highlight.

David

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Re: The old fashioned way. . .

Dave Mount

>I cut one down! We don't have much red oak this far north, but there are a few and a neighbor had one near his pole building that was dying. He wanted it removed before it fell on the building and was happy to have me take it.

When I lived in Missouri there were tons of small sawmills you could buy an oak log from. Don't know how far you'd have to go to get to oak country. . .what about ash or hickory -- any closer?

Good luck,

Dave

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Re: Pretty sure

Dave Mount

>These pieces were soaking in our water since early November and were fine before I started working them. In addition I routinely wipe glue residue away with a tap water moistened rag and don't have any such trouble. That said, I've lived in places with water with high iron, so I don't doubt it can happen.

Thanks.

Dave

Dave Mount, northeastern MN

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JL work

>One thing that may be happening is spalting or bacterial contamination. When I shave spindles, loops and fans, I use a little bleach in the water before drying them out. You could still have residual iron in the water though.

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