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Beginning Carving

Christian Decker

>Hi,

I've been reading and searching the posts today for topics about buying chisels for carving. I'd like to do lettering, maybe signs and possibly pipes as well. From what I've researched I'm better off buying individual chisels and gouges individually instead of a set and that Pfeil, Stubai and Two Cherries are quality tools. Most of the pages I've come across recommend starting with a 8mm parting tool, 13mm #9, 20mm #5 and adding a 4mm #11 veiner, 18mm #11 veiner, 25mm #5 and 25mm #8 as you learn more. My question is, should I get the tools with palm handles or the full length ones? I've worked with wood and metal before (a while ago), so any help would be appreciated. Also, what other tools will I need? I just moved into a new apartment and don't have space for large power tools, just a workbench and hand tools.

Thanks for the help.

-Christian

Re: Beginning Carving

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David Barnett

Re: Beginning Carving

David Barnett

>Christian, you'll want to select gouges and parting tools that are appropriate for relief carving, and for lettering in particular. There are two main approaches to lettering. The first is a very formal fitting of sweep to letter parts based on a given style and size of letter, which is how a shop with lots of liturgical or architectural letter carving is likely to approach things. This can mean you'd need lots of gouges. A less formal and more flexible approach, especially if you're good at freehand lettering with double pencils or chiseled brushes, might be to use fewer tools with shallower sweeps, and especially the 'fishtails'. These allow you to get into deeper corners, serifs, ligatures and so on. It'd be wise to check out a few books, both old and new, and by authors who work in each manner. Also, you should probably spend at least twice as long studying the lettering of early calligraphers and typeface designers (Zapf, Morison, Edward Johnston, Donald Jackson, et al) as you might spend studying carving techniques, per se.

As for carving pipes from briar plateux and stummels, you wouldn't use the same tools. If fact, its quite rare that pipe carvers use edge tools on briar at all, unless roughing on the lathe. Commercial pipe carvers most often use ganged grinding wheels (Castello, Ser Jacopo, Charatan, Dunhill, Ashton), whereas individual artisans usually opt for files, sanding sticks, rasps (the fine Auriou rasps in the finer cuts and smaller sizes are excellent, albeit pricey), Foredom tools with structured carbide bits and sanding drums, and 1" belt sanders. Now and then some steel non-powered texturing tools do get used, and yes, once in a while someone will use a knife of gouge.

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NoraHall.com *LINK*

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>She has a beginner's course on VHS or call and ask for DVD. You can review any of her video courses online, and call her toll free if you have any questions. She will answer them personally. She has a carving style that makes learning quick and easy.


http://www.NoraHall.com

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Christian Decker

>Thanks for the links, I've checked them out a bit so far and will investigate further. What brand tools do you all use? The Nora Hall site pushes Dastra pretty hard, but I've seen others push Pfeil and Henry Taylor and still others like Two Cherries. What sort of differences are there and what are the advantages/disadvantages? I'm leaning toward the Swiss/German style with the octagonal handles because I've read that they're easier to use for extended periods and that another bonus is that they won't roll off the workbench. I've given up on pipe carving for the moment and decided to focus on relief and letter carving initially. I was also wondering when you would use the palm tools versus the standard size ones. Any differences in application and use for those would be appreciated as well.

I'd be glad to hear anyone's opinions or suggestions!

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Don't get the palm carving gouges. They are only useful to those who work with small items in their laps, holding the work in their other well armored hand. I find that I need the control of both hands on the tool, and no hands out in front where a tool will eventually slip and stab the other hand. Also, I find the steel of the Pfeils to be much superior to the Henry Taylors, so you don't need to spend nearly as much time sharpening, or fixing mistakes when the tool dulls and you don't notice until it is too late. They take a much better edge, stay sharp longer, and are ground to a more consistent and usually more useful profile to begin with.

I dislike the shapes of the Pfeil handles, but they can be easily fixed well enough to be used comfortably. Their choice of a ring porous wood is, however, inexcusible. For those profiles that you use a lot, you might eventually want to consider replacing the handle with one of your own creation. In any case, the Pfeil handles are good enough to get you started, and should not be a factor which would cause you to reject a Pfeil tool. Whenever I go to Woodcraft looking for a profile to make some job eaiser, I don't even look at the other brands. I always buy the Pfeil.

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David Barnett

Opinions? Suggestions? *LINK*

David Barnett

>Well, you asked, so here's my late-night idiosyncratic and entirely personal ramble.

Dastra's fine, as is Stubai, Pfeil, HT, and others. Tools often start too thick for me, with too steep bevels, corners that tear rather than cut wood (they'll cut you, though), and poorer finish than I will accept. Almost always I'll change the geometry of new tools to my preferred woods and way of working. You will, too, as you become ever more experienced. As for the above brands, I'm somewhat intrigued by the HT Cogelow series but that's because Fred Cogelow is my absolute favorite carver; relief or in the round.* I have no idea how he uses these but the results are remarkable.

I don't do much carving beyond mouldings, furniture features, and some lettering**, and much less of that than ten years ago. You can certainly rely on Nora Hall as a source for both technical know-how and tools. Her videos are superb and she's incredibly generous with her time and advice. Several years ago she got me to try a set of handforged fishtail gouges from China (not all Chinese steel is soft, believe me). They were surprisingly inexpensive; about $150 for twenty medium through large tools in a tool roll - minor spondulix, indeed***. These came sharper than any other tools I've bought, with long low bevels. The handles are nothing special but adequate. Many years ago I used to teach the historical development of script, type, and book arts, so I have a wide range of lettering skills. Not wanting to be restricted to a tight isomorphism of tool to letter element, I chose a freer approach (similar to Nora's - no stop cuts, no contour outlining with gouges, working the surface with small shaving strokes, and so on) and these gouges worked easily for me. There is (or was) also a set of smaller scale carving tools made by the same family for detail work, but although very useful, not nearly so essential as the larger tools. As for smaller tools, one can so easily make gouges, grounders and knives from water or oil quenched steel that it's not really necessary to buy many, the exceptions being veiners and parters.

As for palm tools, I eschew them for most carving as pressing and pushing tools into one's palms can cause nerve damage and permanent injury. A lot depends on heredity and work habits, but for some people this is a very real danger. I know. I have it. For me, it was bookbinding tools and gravers that presented and exacerbated my symptoms. So I use tools and handles that are more forgiving. Also, when I carve, engrave, plane, saw, pound things, etc., I wear impact absorbing gloves with wrist support (capal tunnel syndrome, too, heh). It's pretty much mallet and standard handles for me. BTW, I don't worry about tools rolling, but I keep mine on a soft surface to protect their edges. As for octagonals, I like them aesthetically but I prefer to use largish tapered squares with rounded edges, very much like the Marples Blue Chip chisel handles, except in wood. I also have wrapped and inset some handles with shagreen, allowing a lighter grip without slipping under forceful mallet blows (although I avoid that whenever possible). Urethane mallets aren't a bad idea, either. I like a smallish to medium size and weight, but with a generous handle, even though my hands aren't all that large.

I already can't remember what I've said and am too tired to read back over it, so please excuse the lack of editing and any resulting incoherence.

Oh, one more suggestion. Look for woodcarving email lists and forums. Some of those guys eat, breath and dream carving, and they know way more than a dabbling dilettante like me.

*If you can lay your hands on the FWW Design Book Six, turn to page 114 and look at "Another Beer at Rosie's". This largish butternut relief is the epitome of Cogelow's style (to me, at least). Just look at the grain on the bared forearm, the fabric creases, the expressions, and depth of the piece. Masterful. There's a book of Cogelow's collected works, too.

**Raised vs. incised is a whole 'nother matter. Different tools, different techniques. You can almost do smaller incised with a chip carving knife. If you need an incised Roman exemplar script, try the Trajan column inscription. It really doesn't get much better than that.

***I believe Nora's source for these tools dried up years ago. Woodcarvers Supply carries both sets, however, but they're higher in price these days.


Wood Carvers Supply, Inc.

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Matti Kuikka

>I made this with the self made plane in next post and the tobacco chamber with a clifton blade that's used in Windsor chair making. Sorry, can't help with carving though as I haven't bought the chisels for that , yet.


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The hand that made the plane 

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Tony - Memphis

>I'm still quite the rookie carver, but I prefer the Pfeil as well. I suggest you pick a project or two and buy the tools needed and start from there. That way, you don't spend a bunch on tools you won't use. I've followed some magazine articles, taken a couple of classes, etc. and bought for each class. Actually, I've got a list of tools on my desk right now to look at for a class I may take soon. Good luck with your carving.

Tony

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>I used to make pipes in the 70's and that briar wood is verry hard I turned to using files and rasps for the most part and only used carving chisels at the very end for crisp designs. I wouldn't give up on them completely especialy if you smoke them. Birthday month is comming up maybe I'll see about some at Wood Craft? can allways use a filler or two.

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Thanks Everyone

Christian Decker

>Thanks to everyone who responded so quickly. It looks like I'll have to determine exactly what I want to start learning first (I think relief carving or lettering), and then determine which tools are the basic ones I need. I imagine that I'll end up buying Pfeil tools since I haven't heard any reasons to stay away from them. I have Butz's How to Carve Wood: A Book of Projects and Techniques and Pye's Lettercarving in Wood : A Practical Course to help me along the way.

Does anyone have any other recommendations for beginner's books or a smaller workbench (around 4' long). I need something to work on in my small apartment and as of right now I don't have a ton of room.

Thanks for all the help,

Christian

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Re: Info on Carving Benches *LINKS*

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>The books you have are very good ones, which should help you a lot.

Regarding carving benches, etc., have you studied the tools offered in the Lee-Valley catalog? They have some well designed and well made carving vises and even the ultimate small carving bench.

The Workbench Book shows many examples of setups designed by carvers, for carvers, or that can be adapted to carving. You really need to study the ideas in this book.

I like the flexibility of a patternmaker's vise. Either the Taiwanese Emmert clone, or an original Emmert, or the Lee-Valley Tucker vise will do well. They mount as easily to short benches as to long ones. Whatever you mount them to, mass, stiffness and a widely set footprint are more important than the size.

Another alternative is a Workmutt with a big bag of sand weighting it down, but I find these to be too low for comfort without building a base to raise them.

Here are a couple of additional alternatives that may solve parts of your problem, especially if you like to build your own stuff, instead of spending money to buy your tools:

Carving Vise

I built this one

The last one could probably benefit from some adaptations. For example, you may find that the jaws and fences are too high and get in the way of your work. It's easy to make them lower.

Until you design and build your ultimate carving bench, you can make do with about three large handscrews and a picnic table. Lay one down flat on the table and use a second one to clamp it to the table. Then clamp a third one in the jaws of the first one. This third one can be adjusted to hold your work in just about any spatial orientation you can imagine, especially if you drill some dog holes in it. This one also has a padded v-shaped slot in the jaws.


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