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Stanley 2 *Christmas Find*

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Stanley 2 *Christmas Find*

Mike-in-Havertown

>Hello all and Merry CHristmas,

This morning my father shows me a plane that his father owned. At first I nearly had a heart attack because of the size, it looked like a stanley #1, after catching my breathe it is a Stanley #2. Still a great find, by any stretch. It has rust on it and needs to be restored. \

I have read about some people on this site and other sites that restore planes. I know nothing about restoring them and I would like to get this one done professionally to show it off.

Does anyone know who a site/person that restores them?

Thanks and Merry Christmas,

Mike-in-Havertown

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>RareBear and Mike in Katy both rehab planes. www.rexmill.com

for Rarebear and http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mike_in_katy/PlaneWood/De fault.htm#B4

for Mike in Katy. (I hope this copied completely)JR

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Mike,restoring a plane yourself isn't difficult. All the info you need is available here in the articles and in the archives.You don't need special machinery or techniques ,just a little basic knowledge.You'll appreciate it alot more if you do it yourself.---Jack

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Walt,where are you?

Bob Hackett

>I`d like to second that you ought to at least consider doing it yourself.You`ll gain new skills and have an excellent working knowledge about planes in general after it`s done.

If you really feel it`s beyond you and absolutely have to hand it off I`d ask Walt Q. at Brass City to maybe consider rehabbing it for you.Hard to go wrong if Walt`s in your corner.I just thought I`d be sure and add his name to the list.

Mainely,Bob

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Mike-in-Havertown

>I am probably going to try the the n umber 5 myself, but since number 2's are rare, I am going to leave that one to the professionals.

I would love to restore them myself, but I really do not want to ruin the #2.

Mike-in-Havertown

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Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>Mike-I've recently acquired a couple of old planes myself and started to get them into shape. I've looked at a number of the sites hosted by the guys who rehab planes, and I have an observation. I sure hope I don't come off as knowing much about the subject cause I don't and if I'm off base here, I apologize, profusely, it that's necessary.

Most of the pictures of the planes I've seen come out of the rehap process look excessively cleaned up to me-made to look as much like brand new as possible. From what I've heard of the services offered, the tools usually come extremely well-tuned and ready to be put to use,often with the addition of new, better blades, and such, but I'd be concerned about what's going to happen to that gem you've come across. Wire and/or deburring wheels, rust removers, patina removal, etc., all seem to be part of the process. I'm way too green to subscribe to a "best" method to do this, but I wonder if such a thorough cleaning is really what you want. If it were me and I got my hands on such a rare plane (that might turn out to be quite valuable, in the right condition, to a collector) I'd do a lot of research before shipping it off to one of the experts for a spit shine and tuneup. Of course, I have no idea what exactly you're looking for in a rehab, whether you want just a well-tuned "user" or plan on holding on to the plane with an eye towards selling it for a good price someday.

Again, I don't mean to impune anyone's approach to this process, or offer criticism of any individual's efforts. I'm just chiming in with my admittedly uninformed $.02. Happy Holidays. Tony

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Todd Hughes

>I don't think I would call a no. 2 like yours "Rare" Maybe uncommon, I sort of collect no. 2's have 6 now and have probably sold more then that Even in the old tool hell I live in I come across them every now and then. A quick look on ebay's completed auction shows more then a few with prices going from $130,[rusted & busted] to $550 [NIB].

I think what you have to establish is just what you mean by "Restore" Are you talking about just a good cleaning that will "Restore" it back to what it looked like when it was being used or are you talking about trying to restore it to what it looked like when new.In most all cases the later is NOT the way to go.Interestingly one of the lower priced ebay no. 2 at $175 was one done like that[rejapaned, refinish wood etc.] a plane that just wasn't very beleavable.If you have a great body with no jappaning and need new wood then maybe that would make sence but sounds like to me what your plane needs is just a good carefull cleaning.When I clean a plane like this what I aim for is a very clean attractive plane that looks like it was just put up from being used 75 years ago but doesn't look like it was cleaned.No artificial shiny buffed parts, no out of place refinished wood just a believable clean plane that looks "Right". I think you will find a good scrubing of the disassembled plane in some hot soapy water with a tooth brush will do wonders. I aslo use some fine sandpaper on a wooden block to do the sides and soles going from front to back to clean them up stopping when the rust is off.Same with the blade. Steel wool the lever cap being careful if nickled. Do your other plane first and I am sure the no. 2 will come out fine.....Todd

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Restoration 101 *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>I saw this post last night, but I was too tired to post a response. After checking this morning, I'm not at all surprised that Todd H has posted exactly whatI wanted to say. So rather than a *me too* post, I'd like to add a few things that I do slightly differently than Todd.

After you've got the plane dissasembled and cleaned, you may have to deal with some rust. I only use sandpaper as a last resort and sparingly. For general rust removal I use fine steel wool, and for isolated spots either a razor blade or a dull chisel will also work. On japanned areas and the lever cap, a nylon brush and/or fine steel wool. I've read that scoth brite pads also work well, but I have not tried them yet.

There has been recent discussion here about getting started withhandplanes. I know this subject has been dealt with in the archives,galoot websites, books and videos, but I'd like to add my two cents. While I've improved my techniches, Istill have room for further improvement and welcome all to join in and

share on points where you have used other methods to good success.Corrections for bad technique are also welcomed.

Cleaning and fettling a plane can be very intimidating if you've never tried to do this before. Many prefer to stick to modern makers for this very reason, but they will never know the pleasre of using an old plane with it's aged rosewood tote and knob, patina and the feeling one gets when holding a piece of history. It inspires and brings thoughts of those who have held it before, but I digress.

Let's get right to the meat and potatoes. Patience is key here. If I knew then what I know now, I would have saved myself much time andmoney. There is an abundance of old tools out there, so wait for theright vintage, in good condition or better, for the right price. So what is the right vintage? Everyone has their own personal preference. Any Bailey from type 2 to type 17 or even to 19 (except for maybe types 3 and 5) should make a good user. What is good condition? Experience is key here, and I won't bog down on this point and only say - In time you will know

how to spot the planes that will clean up and work perfectly with little time and expense. This Stanley #4 type 11, was a

rusty/dirty/greasy/paint splatterd mess, with a broken tote. It took two hours to clean and fettle and cost me a total of $37. Almost gloatable, but then I am still learning (see link below)

My first Stanley bench plane, a #6 of sweetheart vintage, was in the same condition. It cost me $45, took me 20 hours to overclean and fettle, and it still wouldn't take a shaving. Discouraged, I put it on the shelf for a couple of months. After finding the porch, and some new courage, I gave it another crack, and it's now a favorite. So if you run into this problem, put it on the shelf and come back to it when you find yourself thinking....maybe it won't take a shaving because the...........

These are the steps I take in cleaning: I completely dissasemble theplane and let all the parts soak in mineral spirits (except for the tote and knob) while I clean the body. I use fine steel wool, a brass bristle brush for tight spots, and Q-tips for threaded holes. I don't go crazy on the sole, because I will lap it later. If there are any areas of heavy rust on the sole or sides, I scrape it (locally) with a razor blade, and LIGHTLY touch-up with 320 grit sandpaper lubricated with WD-40. I also use a razor blade to remove any paint splatters. I spray WD-40 in all the threaded holes, wipe down with a soft rag and move on to the screws. I clean all the threads with a wire brush,and if they are ragged at the head, I lightly sand off the ridges.

Next step is cleaning the frog. I use the steel wool, brass brush and Q-tips again, wipe down and install the depth adjustment knob, lever cap screw, and the throat adjustment screw and attach to the body. I repeat the same steps for the iron, cap iron, and lever cap, and then the knob and tote.

The main thing I'd like to stress is that I don't go crazy. I rub gently with steel wool. If I run into heavy rust or paint splatters, I scrapeit off with a razor blade or a dull chisel will also work. I go back to steel wool, and then 320 grit sandpaper in isolated spots. If you go lightly with the sandpaper, it wil still leave a nice patina. For the softer lever cap, iron, and cap iron, I'll go up to 600 grit so I don't leave scratches.

The next step would be fettling it you intend to put your old plane back to use. This I belive is like sharpening and takes time and practice so don't get discouraged if your plane does not take wispy shavings your first time. All I can say about this is that I've learned more about how planes work by putting an old plane bach to work than anywhere else. I now have no fear in taking a file to any *LN or *infill. I get much more pleasure from my old tools when I can take them off the shelf and use em' than if I were just looking at them and admire them.

* yes, even LN's can be improved with a little fettling. This mainly consists, for me anyway, of removing mill marks from the bed and the frog. I lap the frog on a lapping table and touch up with a file where I have to work around the lateral lever adjuster. Be forewarned that if you put a file to brass, it may not be good for anything else after that. To lap the bed I wrap sandpaper around a flat piece of metal. I like to use a Hock improved chipbreaker for this, put anything flat that won't deflect should work

** I like to touch up the mouth to remove chips and roundovers. Also, I think that the wood infill can shrink and cause the blade to bed badly.

Hope this helps

Regards

Jonathan


Restored Stanley #4

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Forgot..... *LINK*

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>....to mention.....If you go the soapy water route, please be sure to thoroughly dry all parts either with a hair dryer or in the over before assembly


Restored Stanley #4

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