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Small Thanksgiving gloat!

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>I've recently started to get interested in lowering the electron count in my shop and have been on the lookout for some reasonably priced planes. I've acquired a few eBay clunkers that need a bit of work, and have turned my fantasies to walking into an antique store to find a trove of goodies and an owner who doesn't know what s/he has. Right!

While visiting my sister and her husband, whose deceased father was a woodworker, I asked if the old guy had left my BIL any hand tools. I wasn't expecting much, having seen the power tools in the house, but was I surprised. The picture shows what I walked away with:

Top row, left to right:

1. Craftsman beading plane (unfortunately minus all but one of the cutters)

2. Stanley #78 in excellent condition;

3. Stanley 18A block in very good condition;

4. Stanley 140-complete but needs to be cleaned up;

5. Stanley Bailey #3 (type 19) in excellent condition;

6. Really beat up Sargeant 409 that looks salvagable;

7. Vaughn and Bushnell 904 (VG) and 905 (G-tote tip is broken);

8. Adjustable auger bit-not sure of the make

"Second row", l-r:

9. Stanley "Yankee" brace-nothing fancy or rare, probably about 30 years old and in great shape;

10. Stanley marking guage;

11. Misc. Stanley SW chisels in fine shape;

12. Stanley 53 spokeshave in fine condition but "common as mud" according to P. Leach;

13. Weird Stanley mason's chisel sharpened to use on wood, it appears;

14. Stanley #77 Mortise guage;

15. Assorted Auger bits-Craftsman I think;

16. Very nice protractor-can't remember the brand.

What I could not get the BIL to part with was an absolutely pristine set of Russell Jennings auger bits in a box. (You may have seen the ebay listing mentioned on the Woodnet forum, which consisted of a rare brace and a set of these bits, and which went for over $600 (which most agreed was pretty ridiculous). The label in the box looked brand new, and the bits looked like they had never been used. The box was signed by BIL's dad. who wrote down the name of the shop the set was purchased from in 1946. I tried, but could not talk BIL out of the bits. Best I could do was to get him to agree to leave them to me in his will. (He could lose a few pounds so I'm hopeful. ;>) When I showed him the ebay listing (after he made clear the bits weren't going anywhere), you could see the dollar signs dancing in his eyes.

Not a bad haul for a decent price-having to put up with BIL. ;>) Cheers,

p.s.-Anyone have any idea where to track down a set of the Craftsman beading bits? I have no idea when I'd use this plane, but it looks like it might come in handy some day.


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Richard in Oakville Canada

>That Stanley brace looks like a Model No. 2101 or 2100 12" throw. They were originally manufactured by North Brothers as a Yankee tool. North Brothers were bought out by Stanley after WWII. At least one collector on the internet calls it the best brace ever made. There was a one page article on that brace in Popular Woodworking an issue or two back.

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How 'bout that!

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>You're right Richard. It's a North Brothers 2101, with dates of Nov 6-23 and Jan 18-25 on it. It's a bit different than the one pictured on page 72 of Issue 144 (Novemeber 2004) of PWW. The top handle isn't "fully clad" like the one pictured in the article and mine appears to have a much longer throw-the 12" you referred to, I guess. Thanks for the heads up. Feelin' even luckier. Tony

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Clay C in Miami

>And .. mightn't one or more of those SW chisels be Everlasts, too? Gonna swap the A-18 in and get a user 18, or use that one?

Clay

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Tom Price

>Jeesum Crow! Looks like 4 Everlast chisels in pristine condition there. I'd wet my pants if someone just up and handed me four of those bad boys in that shape.

Small gloat my a**. Major gloat alert!

- -Tom, who is having trouble typing with a paper towel wrapped around yet another chisel stab wound (sigh).

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Chisels

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>Tom-You're right that the chisels are in great condition, looking lightly used for the most part, and at least one of them still sharp enough to shave hair. (I didn't try the rest because, after doing some major sharpening this weekend on some of the planes, I don't have much hair left below my elbow. ;>)

As for whether they are "Everlast"-how do I tell? The shorter of them is marked only "Made in U.S.A. Pat. 1493176" on the socket. There's part of a Stanley decal on the handle and a recessed Stanley stamp in the middle of the blade.

The three longer chisels all have the SW mark inside the heart below "Stanley" on the socket. Two also have "Made in U.S.A. Pat 5-6-24" below the heart, and the third has "Made in U.S.A. Pats. 7-28-08, 2-23-09 8-24-09 5-6-24" below the heart. The "Stanley" stamp on the blade isn't recessed like the stamp on the first, shorter chisel.

Sorry to use you for a free tool dating service, but do these marks make these Everlasts? If you can't tell me, where can I go to find out except that obscenely expensive and impossible to find Walters book?

Thanks, Tony

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Todd Hughes

>Everlast chisels have a metal cap on the end of the wooden handle where other chisels usually have a leather one. They are made so that the wooden handle is permanetly attached to the chisel.These sure sound like everlasts and look to be in very nice condition if so probably are worth $500 or more for the set....Most of these Stanley Yankee braces you see were made for and are marked Bell System.Yours does look to be a 12 in. throw,[measure from center of chuck to center of the handle and multiply by 2] which is a little uncommon.......Nice haul, always good to have slow head relatives.....Todd

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Yikes, Todd!

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>$500! I'm gonna need a valium before I sharpen those things, not to mention use them. They do have the metal caps, so I guess that makes them Everlasts. I was thinking that Santa should bring me a set of the new LN chisels, but now I don't know.

The brace is a 12" throw, but has no marking for Bell System. It is marked North Brothers on one side and Yankee 2101 on the other, so I guess it's officially what Richard identified.

As for BIL, I really shouldn't beat up on him. Although he can be a bit hard to take sometimes, his heart generally seems to be in the right place (especially as concerns my mother). He graciously gave me these tools because, as he admitted, he's never going to use them, and his son, my nephew, wouldn't know which end of a chisel to use. Course, if he knew what all this was worth. . . ;>)

Thanks, Tony

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Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>Clay-I guess those are Everlasts, as indicated by Todd, below. As for the A-18, I already own a couple of LABPs-LN 102 which I just bought used, the LV Veritas, and even a rather new but very well tuned Stanley 60�-so I guess I'm ok in that dept. The A-18 is just so cool to look at (IMHO) I guess I'm going to keep it. Thanks for asking. Cheers, Tony

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If it were me...

Bob Hackett

>I`d be asking my sister what I could make for the BIL.

No better way to thank him than to make something with those tools that he can use everyday.It`ll also go a long way towards getting him to loosen up his grip on those augers.;^)

Mainely,Bob

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Nice haul! That first plane is known as a combination plane, and is very similar to a Stanley #45 (maybe made by Stanley?). If it uses the same blades, Jim Reed [jimreed2160@msn.com] sells some cutters for the 45 that should work well.

Collector Set. Eleven blades for #45/#55 (1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 bead; 1/8,1/4, 5/16, 3/8. 1/2, 5/8 plow) in wooden box. $99.00

Slitter blade for #45, #46 and #55 combo planes. $20.00

#45 combo plane user plow set (1/4", 3/8", 1/2"). $20.00

Collector Set. Four special beading blades (2,3,4,5 beads) for 45/55. (222,223,224,225). $75.**

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Don. . .

Tony Sade (Charleston, WV)

>I've since learned that the plane most likely was made for Craftsman by Sargent-the Sargent version is the #1080. I've seen a few of these for sale on some of the old ww sites I've visited and a couple on ebay. The older ones look pretty close, if not identical. Any idea whether Jim Reed makes cutters for the Sargent? I've been told that the Stanley #45 cutters won't fit the 1080-only one notch instead of two. Thanks, Tony

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Sargent Cutters, etc.

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I have never seen one live - only on eBay. Give Jim a shout, maybe with a sample blade, he can cut an additional groove with the appropriate spacing.

BTW, just a thought, but if your sister's husband's father's house/basement/shop is still in the family, maybe with some rummaging around the original blades can be found in an overlooked drawer or box or something.

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Sargent style cutters

jimreed@marietta

>I have seen Craftsman planes which were made by Stanley (45s), but I think most were made by Sargent. The Sargent (or Fulton) made planes require the double notched blades. Of these, I have a few plows available in 3-4 blade sets.

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If this is a small gloat,

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I am NOT going to want to read about your big gloats! It would be just too embarrassing, sitting in front of the monitor, getting the keyboard all wet with either tears or drool, depending on my strength of character.

Nice! And nice to get stuff with a family connection - there's a special feeling, using stuff that was in the family, even if by marriage.

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Re: Chisels *LINK*

Ben Franklin

>Agreeing with Todd, there is no doubt that those are Everlasts. The model 20's have a "waist" and the model 40/50's have simple, straight lines. From the length, looks like a model 40. $500 seems a little steep, but as Todd points out, these look like they are in excellent shape, and full length, so $100+ each is in line with recent eBay prices, so $500 is about right.

Ben Franklin


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