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Jack Guzman from Maine

Jimmy Carter

Jack Guzman from Maine

>There was a thread about the new tools and shops issue of Fine Woodworking recently but noone mentioned an article by the former president. I read it today. It's a great article. Jimmy Carter is a full fledged woodworker. He's made many items of furniture over the years using hand and power tools. He's even made a greenwood chair using strictly colonial era tools.

I'm just curious why I never heard about this before? Is it a secret he's been keeping? Or has this been discussed before I came around here?

I wonder if he ever lurks around this place.

Jack

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>It's my impression that Jimmy Carter doesn't crow a lot about himself. I've seen references to his work over the years, and it's obvious that he loves to get his hands on the tools.

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Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>I was truly amazed by that story...to come from where he started...and to do the things he's done is quite impressive.

I found the part where he was serving in the Navy and was using the shops to make his furniture quite impressive.

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Todd Hughes

>I have actually read a good bit about Carter's wood working over the years. Pretty well known for the work he does building houses for poor folk. Homes for Humanity I think it is called and is where they give houses they built to people at a greatly reduced price / or free. Good deal if you can get it I guess. Have also seen more then a few examples of his work that was auctioned off for charitys.Was always pretty well done though nothing to fancy , In keeping with his roots I guess, and went for high prices I guess because of who made it and for a good cause thing.Seems I remember one very nice tool chest he made...Personaly I really think this is one of those cases where an amature wood worker probably missed his true calling in life and should had become a full time proffesional while still a young man.......Todd

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>I have to disagree with that. I have been a "professional" wood worker since I was 18, almost twenty years, and have never sold a single item of furniture for $50,000, much less $200,000. It looks to me like I would have been much more successful as a woodworker if I would simply have become president first, before going into woodworking. I think he does a good job on his pieces but I think I could do better work. I plan on making a nice wooden chess set; we'll see how it compares with his ;)

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kees

>I've seen him on John Alexander's website www.greenwoodworking.com some time ago.

kees

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As good a place to correct a misconception as any

Randy Johnson

>Homes for Humanity I think it is called and is where they give houses they built to people at a greatly reduced price / or free.

Habitat for Humanity builds houses for low-income people who would not be able to BUY a home under normal circumstances. Contrary to uninformed opinion, the houses are never simply given free. There are a number of criteria for being selected for a Habitat home but the main one is LOW INCOME. This does not mean welfare. Anyone selected for a house must be gainfully employed just like anyone else trying for a home loan. The difference with Habitat is that the income requirement can be substantially reduced because the cost of building the home is substantially reduced. This is done first of all by the bulk of the labor being donated. Volunteers vary from professionals in various trades to those who simply want to help and show up willing to do anything they can. The homeowner to be is usually in the second category, but regardless of skills, the person who will be living in the house is there every work session because they are required to put in �sweat equity.� In addition to donated labor, costs are held down by materials being provided at reduced cost or, in a few instances, donated. Finally, the person getting the house makes interest free loan payments. But, and this is often misunderstood, they WILL be paying back the loan. They are not getting something for nothing.

As far as the �Good deal if you can get it I guess� part goes, there are a few other considerations. First of all, since real estate is not one of the things generally donated, the lots we build on are often in that part of town known commonly as �the wrong side of the tracks�. It�s what we can afford. Since the goal of Habitat is simply to build �decent affordable housing� and not to build showplaces, the houses are often smaller than those surrounding them are. On several of the single story homes out local chapter has built we have had to get a special variance because the square footage was smaller than county codes allowed. I doubt if there are many reading this who would trade what they have for the eligibilty to quailify for a Habitat house.

There are a lot of people (and I�ve met many of them) who bristle at the mention of Habitat for Humanity because they think that although THEY have had to work for everything they have, someone else is being given a free ride. First of all, it isn�t true. The financial burden on the owner of a Habitat house is similar to the burden borne by the average homeowner. Yes, the payments are substantially less. So is the income. And once the house is occupied, the cost of maintaining, heating, and lighting it are the same as they are for anybody.

Oddly, the same people who criticize Habitat have no problem with business being GIVEN land to build on, sometimes having the building built for them, and receiving huge tax abatements once they are up and running. Personally, I prefer giving the break to someone that really needs it.

I�m one range hood away (it wasn�t available yesterday) from finishing my tenth Habitat house. Not many by Jimmy Carter standards, but all that the local chapter has built since its inception. I think I�m the only one who has worked on all of them, and I�m proud of it. You might say it�s my verse.

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>I have donated money to HFH in the past, and am not a knee-jerk critic of the program. But the recipients do get something for nothing:

the bulk of the labor being donated

That is something for nothing.

materials being provided at reduced cost or, in a few instances, donated

That is something for nothing.

the person getting the house makes interest free loan payments

That is something for nothing.

Not to mention the expedited variances, approvals and inspections that a builder would not get if he did not have the HFH & JC imprimatur on his applications. Time is money.

That is something for nothing.

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'Nothing'?

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>Well, Randy donated a good bit of his Thanksgiving weekend to build someone else's home. But he didn't give something for nothing. He received his payment, and found it ample--we know this because of his words above. The lumber and material suppliers, the municipalities providing variances, Don's own dollar contribution that he referred to--all of the people participating in the building of a home got paid somehow. They got paid in the currency that was important to them.

Habitat for Humanity is not a government program. It is not compelled or enforced by any law. Each person involved is a willing volunteer. Each is playing a part because they want to. So each is getting paid--but the currency goes far beyond money.

Habitat seems to increase the dignity of everyone it touches.

Wiley

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Right you are!

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Nobody is coerced to be involved with the program, so it would seem that there is no reason to claim unfairness, or corruption, etc. When we were younger, my wife and I once were volunteers to provide unskilled painting labor. A good time was had by all.

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Randy Johnson

>We have different definitions of "nothing"

If Habitat for Humanity built houses for people who never saw so much as the location until the day they moved in and never had to pay a penny to get the house,they would be getting it for nothing.

That ain't the way it works.

The payments are reduced, but in order to keep a habitat house they must be made. That is something.

The homeowner must HELP with the construction. The most recent recipient is a young lady in her early twenties who did 98% of the painting, 100% of the job clean-up each day,100% of any job assigned to her, and, any day I ever worked, left only if she was assured there was nothing else she could do.On previous houses future homeowners have installed siding, roofing, and on one, they did everything but the switches on the finish electrical. That is something.

And it isn't too unusual to see some of the people who have had the good fortune to recieve a Habitat house show up to help build the next one. That is something.

Oh, and BTW, as far as reduced prices for materials are concerned I'm sure you don't think that any of the local builders, plumbers, electricians,etc. pay the same for their materials as you the homeowner does. I can't speak for other chapters across the country, but our "discount" is available to any contractor and I would not be surprised to find out that most full-time builders get a better deal than we do because they buy more. Habitat's deal for the homeowner is better because the price isn't jacked up when it is figured into final cost.

LBJ's Great Society tried the something for nothing approach in the form of housing projects that, in many case have already fallen to the wrecking ball. Habitat works because anyone living in a Habitat house has an investment in that house. They have worked to help build it, and they work each day to make payments on it. They only thing they have been "given" is a helping hand. And, as they helped others as well, even that was not for "nothing".

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O.T.....Sorry, but have to say this.

fmutchler@adelphia.net

>Hi Don. My daughter lives in and is paying for her own home thanks to a helping hand from Habitat For Humanity. She's a single mom with 4 children. She is in the process of converting the 'mud-room' in the rear of her home into a mini salon where she will ply her trade as a work at home stylist. That way, she is home when her kids leave for and return from school.

I watched the community she lives in surround her with their love and encouragement as they built her home from the ground up in less than 24 hours. It was quite a day!

All of us don't get to start out in life on a level playing field and what might be considered something for nothing in one instance may not be in another. Some of us just require a little help from our friends in order to become productive individuals, parents, and citizens.

Sure, she got something but it wasn't for nothing. She promised to do her best to return to her community not only the cost of her home but also five productive, responsible human beings who, God willing, will contribute more to their society than they take from it.

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Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Think about the difference between a gift and a trade. Also, when the prospective homeowner does work on his own house, he is doing it for himself, not in compensation for the gifts that he has received, and will continue to receive during the life of the interest-free loan. If you give me a Bedrock 604, and I clean it and sharpen the blade, I will still have gotten the plane for nothing.

I am just talking pure economics here, and am not making a convincing case (my fault), so I give up! :-)

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Well.....

Todd Hughes

>I think you made a convincing case..... It seems I was mistaken when I thought some of these people got the houses for free in exchange for just working on thiers or others houses. It does seems to be no doubt they are getting them for greatly reduced prices and lots of the materials etc. and labor is provided for free.I do have to stand by my comment that for these homw owners it is a "good deal if you can get it" . I know when I bought my house I never got any deal like that , but then I'm not used to not paying for what I own or getting hand outs.....Wonder if they have a "Shops for Humanity" program? I could use a new shop and heck I will even provide the land!.......Todd

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A return to and for the community

Bob Hackett

>The idea of Habitat for Humanity is not a new one.There used to be things like barn raisings and house raisings all over this country as we expanded and moved west.

There are many programs,both local and federal which help the poor and elderly maintain thier houses at little or no cost to them.

For those who don`t get away from the city much,community and co-operation are just a way of life.If my neighbor needs a hand splitting wood for a day then he knows all he has to do is ask.The firehouses and many of the parks and land perserves both here in Boothbay and nieghboring towns were built and are being maintained by volunteers.

I find it hard to understand the "something for nothing" attitude.You do what you can,when you can,for whoever needs it.In return you get at least one new friend and another volunteer to go and help on the next project.That`s how you build a community.

Those who do not understand the fair exchange taking place maybe need to get involved in something like HFH,or a community project at least once.It can be a real eye opener and I`d be surprised if you didn`t come away with something better than gold.

Mainely,Bob

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Here Here!!

Matt -- Los Angeles

>These are the ideas and principles we were all (or most of us) taught in Pre-school for Pete's sake...

Be nice

Share

Be a helper

I'm amazed by the 'sour grapes' I'm reading about HFH-- or "simple economics" , "something for nothing" whatever you want to call it....

I would ask everyone here the same question: When was the last time you engaged in any meaningful volunteering? Anything, anything at all. Just so long as you took your free time and spent it doing something for someone else.

Anyone want to trade places with that single mother of 4 children? You could get a "Free" house! In which you could start your own business while raising four kids by yourself.

Good luck. I'll take my life thank you very much and my house payment (thank god I've got one) and I will also take my hat off to anyone who does something positive for their community.

Matt -- los angeles

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Jeff Schmidt (KY)

>When Carter left office, his staff all chipped in a bought him a shop full of woodworking tools.

The recent FWW article showed some paintings in the background that were his work as well. I searched the net for any images of his work but came up empty.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>We do have two local Habitat stores, in which recycled and relatively inexpensive new materials are sold. Anyone can buy there.

Pam

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