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Steve Kubien

Essential handsaws

Steve Kubien

>Hi everyone,

In the 'tablesaw' thread, Eric asked about handsaws for a newbie neaderthal, specifically which types of saws would eliminate the need for a tablesaw. This kind of question has been asked before and I vaguely remember Adam and Joel offering fairly simple answers which helped me get addicted to handsaws. I cannot find those posts in the archives (I am useless at searching for stuff like that) but fear not Eric, I am always willing to help a newbie develop their own version of a 'saw problem'......

Most basic thing a TS will do is rip stock to width so you need a rip saw. Look for something 26" long (the blade) with a taper ground blade (skewback). For work on stock over 1" thick, 4-5 tpi should suit you well. If thinner stock is used, maybe a 5-7tpi.

Crosscutting can be done with a variety of weapons, errr, tools. My favourite saw is an EC Atkins 8tpi. I use it a lot. Between 7-12 tpi is what to look for, with lower numbers for rougher, thicker stock and higher numbers for thinner, harder materials like maple, and many exotics. I have a 10tpi Disston which eats through oak up to 1" thick but is very slow going in pine. There is probably a reason for this but I don't know what it is.

I think the only joinery operation you would try with a TS is cutting tenons. For this, a backsaw 14-18" long (blade length), filed rip between 11-15 tpi will serve you well. You can use this saw for cutting the shoulder too even though it is a crosscutting action.

With any of these, brand is largely a matter of personal choice. As I said before, I love my Atkins crosscut but I love my Disston 28" D-8 thumbhole rip saw just as much. Simmonds, Disston, Atkins and Keen Kutter are good names to look for in old tools. Except for Adria/STW/LN backsaws, I have yet to find a newer saw with a comfortable handle. The older saws generally have good quality steel and more comfortable handles.

Of course, this post does not deal with Japanese or 'pull saws'. I'll leave them out because I generally hate mine. Lots of people love 'em. They can have 'em.

I hope this helps you out. I am sure others will offer their 2 cents on this issue. What I have written works for me a guidelines. Other people will have other fews.

Steve Kubien - who can't believe he can justify ONLY having 5 saws plus a dedicated dovetail saw! (Don't tell SWMBO'd)

Ajax, Ontario

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Frank Mutchler

>I find a Disston #4 is one hand saw I reach for a lot. My wife's grandfather's D8 has a broken handle but I use it anyway....someday I'll fix it.

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paul womack

>Once you get the hang of sharpening, good (or better) handsaws are plentiful and cheap.

And the range you need is narrow, at least compared to planes :-)

So unless you're short of storage, or this is intended as a "desert island" thread, just keep buyin'

BugBear

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Ted Shuck

>Steve wrote:

"I have a 10tpi Disston which eats through oak up to 1" thick but is very slow going in pine. There is probably a reason for this but I don't know what it is."

I have seen similar effects using fine-toothed saws in soft wood. The softer particles of wood tend to get jammed between the teeth and clog them, especially if the wood is slightly moist. Larger teeth clear the particles better for soft wood. Harder woods don't tend to clog the teeth as much and saw better with fine toothed saws. The amount of set makes a difference too; more set for softer woods will help to clear the sawdust.

This is why you need more than 5 saws: You need a full set for each type of wood that you saw, with varying tooth pitch and set to work optimally.

Ted, of the SGFH

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Steve Kubien

Thank you SGFH

Steve Kubien

>Ted, I've been having heart and blood pressure problems since I posted that message. "Could I really only need 4-5 saws? This seems so unfair! Todd H can justify hundreds and I can only get 5? Something is amiss."

Thanks to the SGFH, my blood pressure has returned to normal and my heart has slowed to a nice 72 beats per minute. Thank you SGFH. Without you, I might not have made it!

Steve Kubien

Ajax, Ontario

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Mike Lietzow

>I prolly have a dozen or so saws (not including backsaws) and I _know_ that's not enough. I mean, heck, there's only one #12 in the bunch, only one split nut type (really battered), and no #16s. I guess I better get back to hunting some more rust.

Cheers,

Mike - who isn't happy that he can't make to the PAST old tool swap meet on Saturday :-(

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SGFH = Support Group From H***

Ted Shuck

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Steve Kubien

Re: O.K. I'm clueless. What's SGFH?

Steve Kubien

>Support Group From H.E. double-hockey-sticks. Hang on Scott, I saw you at the last meeting !

Steve Kubien

Ajax, Ontario

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Ted Shuck

>Just keep using those rip saws for a few hours a day and your get your heart rate down into the forties before you know it!

My younger son likes to come watch me doing long rips in 6/4 hard maple and admonish me for resting. It's times like that when I am happy to have a 4ppi thumbhole D8.

(beep, beep)

Ted

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Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>If you know the answer...YMBAG!

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#13

Guilty as charged. Hi I'm Scott

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>and I'm a hand saw addict�

Pic to come as soon as I finish my saw till...

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tmPL.....

Jonathan Peck - N.Y.

>...just say, if we don't let everyone in on it we're bound to do some polishing. MAO?

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Steve Kubien

Re: tmPL.....

Steve Kubien

>Ok, you lost me on 'tmPL' and 'MAO'

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Re: tmPL.....

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>tmPL - trade mark Patrick Leach

ROTFLMAO - Rolling on the floor, laughing my [expletive deleted] off

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eric in Maryland

>Steve (and others)

Thanks -- that give me something to start with. Appreciate the help

Cheers

Eric

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Yeah right Eric,

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>You say Thanks now, just you wait about 6 months when you have more hands saws than you have space to store them. Uh huh, you'll rue the day that Steve and the others gave you a shove doewn the Slope. Do you actually think that they did it out of kindness? I can assure you that they did it for their own entertainment and are eagerly awaiting the day when you post fussing about being over run with saws.

Ahhhhhhh heck, just funnin' with ya'. Enjoy your need addiction. Soon you'll be a card carrying member of the group that says "Hello, my name is....... and I'm a............ Trust me on this one. ;~)

Todd O.

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eric in Maryland

>well I guess I'll have to add saws to my "other additions" -- hand planes and chisels ;)

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Tom Price

>






I coined the term Support Group From H*ll in reference to the Old Tools List as expained here. I hope many of you can see yourselves in my description as obviously, the Galoot Experience is not confined just to the OldTools List. Recently, I expanded on the meaning of the term and I think this is just as valid for the hand tool crowd here as on the OldTools list.


- Tom






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Ernie Miller Topeka

>So your the one. I knew some one here got me all messed up. I don't collect planes but that till of egg beaters got me thinking. I cleaned the nander shop last night I have 5 in the rack 10-15 in a pile in the corner. and a brace for every bit pluss comon screw driver bits and countersink. lets not forget the push drills and yankees gotta have one of each. You people suck! two years ago I was happy building stuff now look at me two shops and a shead full of wood. Hi my name is Ernie My favorite file is a #49 it's realy a rasp and I have the equivelant by several makers.

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William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>A brace for every bit? That's another mind-numbing concept. I thought I had my twisty tool organizational problems beat. I'm keeping them out of piles, and handy, but now I realize it's all an exercise in futility. What good does it do me to mount a row of screw hooks into the bottom of a convenient ceiling joist, and mount an eyehook in the chuck to hang the brace, etc., from, if I'm wasting that much time removing the eyehook and replacing it with a bit every time I want to give a tool a twist??? Aarrrgh! Back to the drawing board!

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Now the big picture...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Is having the same bit in all brace sweep sizes and all bits sizes covered of coruse this means right angle braces too. Perferably in all lead screw pitches too...oh yea forgot center bits... oh well, add them to the list too...wait Forsner bit too... AAhhhh.

Heck while we at it let's throw in ratcheting and non ratching brace versions too. Now along with screwdriver bits, counersinks and hollow core augers and adjustable bits I think we're set. Let's get to work here!

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>There is just not enough time in life to waist it changing bits all the time. Sure how often do you use a 7/8" bit but I'm betting in the long run I'm bound to have more time working in the shop. I have it kinda cleaned up maybe I'll take some pictures this weekend.

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