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Postwar Norris talk *PICS*

WoodburnBob

>I'm going to show you a surprise I've had a few times before when putting big ticket antique planes to work.

This ordinary A5 really looks quite good. Correct? I've had it sitting around a year or two since it came mail order...probably from Murland, but can't say it wasn't off ebay.


I had to work the blade over quite a bit to remove some pitting but who cares. I then put the plane to wood: setting the blade depth I got either elbow jarring chatter or nothing, no matter how softly and sweetly I tickled the adjuster. I checked a couple things and then got out the 12 inch Starrett straight-edge I keep as unding'd as possible.


Visually the sole concavity is pretty impressive as things go, but in truth by feeler gauges this is only 0.003 inch behind the mouth and 0.002 or so in front of the mouth. This of course pretty much explains the original symptom and makes the Norris completely useless for it's intended purpose. Until fixed, that is.


Just another shot from a little different angle. By the way this is an arch and not a trick of balancing the straightedge on a toe ding and a heel ding.


I've found my share of domed soles on infills and concluded they were given cosmetic surgery via belt sander. That is not the case here. My guess is that the sole hasn't been worked on.


This concave sole finding isn't unusual for old cast iron American planes like Baileys, but it may be the first I've noticed in an infill. Perhaps I'm paying attention because of Joel's recent remarks about postwar Norris's being welded.

Anyway, none of this is new to most of you but I had the camera handy and thought some of the newer members might be interested.

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

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Jim in Burlington Ontario

>Great post for me. I have never seen one in person. They look so dreamy to me but due to shortage of knowledge and bad experience with buying off of e-bay I have shyed away. There's one on e-bay right now. So how do you plan to get the cupping out? I'm figuring lapping the sole but curious to hear.

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WoodburnBob

>My advice, Jim, is remain a virgin. Buying infills is probably a bit like robbing banks, there's such a rush involved in opening the box...and then each one becomes that much easier until you become the victim of sheer habit.

I think Ebay infills are enjoying very high prices right now and many of the planes are coming from unknown sellers in England with bad exchange rates and high shipping. That said, I don't think you can go wrong with Murland or Inchmartine.

Almost all infills need to be fixed and tuned to work at their potential. It's just part of the bargain. I really like the old beaten ugly ducklings for some reason. Spiers, Mathieson and Norris aren't being made any more. They aren't going to loose value. Our grandchildren will be attracted to them for the same reasons we are.

I think I'll use a modified Paul WomacK approach on this plane (see link): bluing and spot filing. For my limited patience 0.003 is too much lapping. I tried Paul's approach last week on a couple cast iron planes that weren't too far out and had pretty fast luck.


Paul Womach link

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joel

>THanks for posting the pictures. I would think that the concavity cambe from bad grinding in the factory and / warping from the welding. However that's why the plane is in good shape today - no one used it because it didn't work well.

THe prices on Norris's have got through the roof and certainly the ones in proper ready to use condition ave very pricey. This is the problem with ebay - every seller seems to think they are sitting on a gold mine.

Remember however the post war infills as a group don't perform as well as the pre-wars - fit and finish again.

I know a few dealers who up until a few years ago before you could no longer find pre-war planes of any quality in any quantity would not touch a post war because there just was no market for it. That's certainly changed in the past few years.

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

Thanks That will certainly speed the process up

Jim in Burlington Ontario

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Before dinner

WoodburnBob

>I went ahead and took about half the dish out of the sole...but enough to take the white space out over the toe section. Spent about 45 minutes, most of which was getting no where fast with files and coarse plasterboard screen on granite plate. I lost patience and freehanded some on the Tormek...not for the faint of heart. Don't worry I've done this before on practice irons and planes; I more or less know what I'm doing. The Norris still needs work but here's the result so far. Just mahogany, so no great shakes. The shavings are about twice as thick as what I want and I can't get there yet.


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paul womack

>I tried Paul's approach last week on a couple cast iron planes that weren't too far out and had pretty fast luck.

I would GREATLY appreciate a little more detail, or photos, or just a statement of satisfaction.

I've been trying to convince people that this method is accurate and quick, but every few believe me.

A few more supporters could yet provide "critical mass"

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