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Flattening the backs of plane irons... ?

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Flattening the backs of plane irons... ?

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Flattening the backs of plane irons... ?

CONGER - The Irish diaspora in Munich

>I spent my Corpus Christi vacation sitting under the heavens at the top of a Tyrolean Alp (4500 ft over sea level) in northern Italy -- dutifully 'flattening' the backs of 7 Lie Nielsen plane irons. Norton stones to 8000 grit -- mirror finish.. some better than the others.

I came home and tried my LN 4.5... and it whistled through the curly maple like a dream... the 'tram track' problems I had before were gone!!! I checked the back of the blade with a straight edge ACROSS the blade, and found the iron was now slightly (perhaps 0.1mm or 0.003") rounded (requires some perception!).

Now to my query...

I do know that one has to 'ease' the sides of the blade edge to avoid the 'tram tracks'. Up to now, I have always eased the edges from the BEVEL side. The effect of my 'flattening' exercise was to ease the blade from the FLAT side (I hope I got this right).

Which method is 'correct'?

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Ron in Richmond Hill

>Some may call it putting a curve on the edge or perhaps feathering the edges. Whatever your terminology, you want the cutting edge of the blade to have a slight crown to it such that the center is higher than the outside corners. You want to take just enough off the two outside ends to eliminate those "plane tracks" on your final cuts.

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Bob Nelson

>Todd has previously indicated he has some doubts about anyboy that flattens plane backs. Whether or not he's valid there, I have definite oubts about anybody who does so while sitting in the Alps. AI've been to the alps and found many better things to do there than that - including just sitting and looking at the scenery.

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Charles

>Put down the straightedge, put the 10,000 grit stones away, buy some lumber, and make something.

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Charles

>You're in good shape as long as the tracks are gone. I typically do my dubb over routine from the bevel side which I think is the better route to go in that you don't want to take a chance getting the back out of flat.

But whatever works for you is fine.

Relax, don't worry, make furniture.

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>If it ain't broke, don't fix it is what I say. Technically I think if your plane iron is not flat to match the flat frog, it may tend to rock slightly while planing, causing chatter or an uneven bite. I think the best recommendation would be to round the corners of the iron on the bevel side, I think this provides better control of the round over.

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>if the iron is bevel down as in a smoothing plane, the rounded back would only effect the cap iron and not the frog, and the rounded back would only cause a problem if it allowed shavings to catch at the cap iron.

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CONGER - The Irish diaspora in Munich

>Yep... I thought the same (catching under the cap iron)... but this does not happen. Maybe the cap iron (old style Lie Nielsen) flexes enough to cover the gap? The gap IS small (measured by eye). Anyways, the plane works a treat now.

-g-

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Virginia Jim

>Coincidently, I just tried relieving the corner from the back rather than from the bevel, and I too found that it worked well. When I thought about it later (try first, think later - standard recipe for disaster) it occured to me that it is hard to round over from the bevel without making that part of the edge thick (dull). If you round from the back, the edge can stay thin all the way to the end.

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Re: well I guess

CONGER - The Irish diaspora in Munich

>Makes sense VJ, just have to avoid the problem pointed out earlier with the cap iron.

I will be 'working' again tomorrow, so I can tell more then.

-g-

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