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A different sort of plane sole flatness problem.

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A different sort of plane sole flatness problem.

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>I think that I have finally figured out why I have had so much problems with my HNT Gordon smoothing plane. The old sole not flat in front of the mouth problem. That's the second time this week! (to use the immortal words of Maxwell Smart :-) I also bought recently (okay, not this week) a Mathieson coffin smoother recently but this time I knew there was a problem but there was plenty of life left in the plane.

Anyway, back to the HNT Gordon plane. I have fussed and fiddled with this plane for what seems like forever. The iron is definitely sharp enough so that ain't the problem. In frustration last night at the end of yet another fiddling session, I put my starret rule against the sole and lo there was daylight at the leading edge of the mouth.

The leading edge of the mouth is actually brass on this plane and the body is made of ironwood so using another plane is not going to fly. So it looks like sandpaper and a flat surface. Sigh!

What I can't figure out is how this happened. Right now the relative humidity would be measured in negative numbers here so I think that it has always been this way.

I'll get back to you all on the results of this.

What I did try with this plane that works very well is using it as a scraper. With that thick iron even on the hardest wood there is no chatter. My Stanley 112 skips and jumps all over the place on this stuff. The only problem is that it tends to clog after more than two passes.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Might be worth an email to Terry Gordon. Among other things, I'm sure he'd like to know from a quality control viewpoint.

Pam

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a different sort of fix...

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>If you haven't already pulled out the abrasives and started, there is another, potentially faster way. This is just a variation of the iron plane scraping technique Bugbear, Jeff Gorman, et. al. talk about; works very well with my Gordons. Careful, light passes are the key here.

To determine the shape of the sole once a straightedge has shown a problem, I put a fresh coat of wax on a surface plate, buff it a little, and gently move the plane (iron slightly retracted and wedge tight) over it. High spots will show up shiny. At that point, I take a sharp #8 iron, invert the plane and scrape away the shiny spots from front to back, with the iron at an 80 to just under 90� angle, held at 15-30� alternate angles from the direction of scraping. When you get to the wear plate, you have to be very careful, especially of the mouth edge itself, but a very sharp iron will cut the brass as easily as the wood. This trashes the #8 irons (even A2 Hocks) fairly quickly, but I have a small pile of them to go through and just swap them out when the edge starts to go.

I have no real read on the "evils of abrasive flattening" camp, but this works well and fast enough that it is the only technique that I use anymore.

My smoother took a ~10 minute tweak to true a month after I got it, and has been pretty much dead stable ever since. I say pretty much, because as long as it is ejecting wispy shavings straight out like a toaster, I don't remeasure. It is the most stable wooden plane I own. My try plane moves a little more like the rest of my woodies, but a short session every 3-6 months keeps them all in tune.

Finally, seconded on the above--it sounds like this has been a little frustrating, but I'm sure Terry would be more than happy to help you get the plane working properly. They are wonderful and amazing tools.




/jvs

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Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>Thanks for your advice. Hadn't thought of that method. Just use wax instead of Prussian Blue :-)

I will take Pam's and your suggestion and also send a brief e-mail to Terry to see what suggestions he has. This has been driving me nuts for so long another couple of days wont hurt.

I have a very sharp No 7 Stanley but I'm still not sure how it will go with Ironwood. This sure has some curly grain.

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John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>Yea, it's really not much wax, either; the sheen may just be coming from polishing on the granite. It just occurred to me that the iron that came with the plane would work, too, maybe just a tad easier with one that is wider, and the original is probably harder that the alternative. Good luck with it!




/jvs

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