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Gouge Question
Angelo in Cornwall, NY
>Ok, now that I have my chisel set pretty much done, I'm looking towards gouges. What does everyone find more useful, in-cannel or out-cannel? If you could only choose one, which would it be? I'm figuring, based on what is available used, that out-cannel was more commonly used historically.
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William R. Duffield on the Cohansey
>Incanel gouges were used mostly by patternmakers. For typical artistic wood carving, gouges are typically beveled on the outside (convex) face, but sometimes on both faces. The wider the sweep (closer to flat) the more apt they are to have bevels on both faces. V-groove tools or veiners are beveled on the two outside faces.
Note, also, that unlike patternmaker's gouges, which have a flat bevel, the typical carving gouge has a convex curved bevel. A curved bevel on the outside face allows you to cut into the work, and then, by lowering the handle, make a curved cut, and exit the tool back through the surface. This is just the opposite of a hollow ground bevel, which would be mostly useless for carving
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Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA
>Sr. William told the gouge story. I have both. I find I use the outies more than the innies. The outies are much easer to sharpen IMHO.
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Dan Donaldson
>I am not really a carver, but for what I have done, I use out cannal, but I put a small bevel on the inside also. (This is per recommendation of Lee Grindinger)The combination of the rounded bevel on the outside, and the inside bevel helps cut into the wood, and then, as was mentioned, you can lower the handle to come out.
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Dennis
>The incanel is the tool to remove a lot of wood in a hurry, one can really hog the wood off, which is what patternmakers did at times, now for carving the out is way to go for the most part.
You just need both, and down the slope we go.
Dennis
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Ain't that the truth;-)
Dan Donaldson
>I think that between planes, carving tools, saws, spokeshaves ..... The slope has turned into a cliff, and I lost my parachute ;-)
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Adam Cherubini, NJ
>Angelo,
My understanding is that the incannels were used by patternmakers as William has said to make the interface for shafts. They are often found to be perfectly round.
They are sometimes referred to as scribing chisels in old ww texts. They can be useful for coping joints (molded frame and panel stuff, window sash,etc). If you find one or two that match one of your sash ovolos, I'd keep it incannel. Otherwise, I don't use mine very often.
I have had use for "firming gouges". You find these often. Their blades are typically too stout for real carving. I recently used them to excavate the cavity for drawer locks. I beat on them mercilessly with a mallet (which is rare for me). I think its handy to have a couple tools like that hanging around. Width and sweep are almost irrelevant.
Adam
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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX
>And then there are the crank necks.
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Angelo in Cornwall, NY
>Thanks all. I wasn't really thinking of carving, more along the lines of what Adam had mentioned. I have a 1" and a 7/16 right now, the smaller one being a very beat up in-cannel. I guess I'll turn it out, and start looking for a few more.
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Jim in Burlington Ontario
>Late last year I happened to see a complete set of pattern makers chisels there were over 150 with probably 500 hand tools including Sizing rulers. He made tooling and later fancy Quebec heater type woodstoves. I only bought 4 wide gouges 2 inside and 2 outside so expertly hollow ground and sharpened. To bad he had passed on and took the secret of how he sharpened them it would have been fantastic to learn that. The cranked neck gouges must have easily been 50 from 1/2" up to 2 1/2"
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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA
>You could just about dig a trench with that critter!
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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX
>Indeed, but it sure would be fun. I like the shorter length Japanese style crank necks; but this particular one is just a bit dear. These are intended for making trays and the like.
BTW, I came across an interesting style rasp from Auriou/Museum of Woodworking Tools a couple of days ago, for smoothing the tray inserts after planing. It appears that the Japanese style is to carve the tray depressions, which seems very wasteful to me; but they are very attractive.
It's not the fall...
Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA
>It's that sudden stop at the bottom...How did I end up with 23 spokeshaves...Ohhhhh the agony...
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William R. Duffield on the Cohansey
>It would probably work just as well as the Gophinator the Power Tool guys are talking about on the main Message forum. :^)
Prefer in-cannel
Chris Knight
>Because I am basically a wannabe cabintet maker who has not yet done any fancy carving but has needed a curved cutting edge many times.
Some times to remove wood from an area that is going to be curved when finished and sometime because it has been very useful to use a gouge with a wide sweep that acts as a chisel but which does not cut into adjacent material, leaving unintended scars - analogous to putting a camber on a plane iron and for the same reason
Organic (and Neander) Gopher Control
Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA
>Nothing we've tried, but nothing, beats our now-deceased Sebastopol Gopher Hound. You might think 160 pounds of dog is excessive to keep gophers away, but after she dug up their tunnels and snuffled in them a few times, the gophers all moved out - we figure they thought it was the Voice of Doom. It was a good two years after she passed on before they started to come back. Now, they brazenly push up their mounds right under our feet (literally - last week, we watched one pushing dirt out two feet from us).
Of course, we had to live with parts of the backyard looking like, as Susan Conant puts it so elegantly in one of her books, a scale model of the battlefield at Verdun, but it was a small price to pay for not having those furry little vermin in the yard.
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William Duffield on the Cohansey
>The last time one blatantly pushed dirt up under my feet, I stomped him. I didn't even stop to think about it. He never knew what hit him. The destruction they cause to the lawn, and especially to the flowers (mostly perennials) that we spent untold quantities of BS&T (and some cash, as well) planting and cultivating makes this no more seious an ethical question than setting traps for rats. Blackdawg (Chief of Security in title only) is so inept he can't even catch bunny wabbits, bushy tailed tree rats and feral cats, much less stealth subterranean varmints.
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Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL
>PLEEZ SEND ME SOM OF THOSE GOFERS.
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