Roy on DVD?

Re: Roy on DVD?

Ted Shuck

>Somebody posted something on the Old Tools group a while back about this. He had sent an email to the production company that makes the show and received a response from St. Roy! I don't get the series locally either, so I sent an email as well. I only heard from a minion.

I think if people flood them with requests, we stand a chance. There doesn't seem to be a direct link to the feedback section of their website. You have to go to www.pbs.org, click on "Programs A-Z", find "Woodwrights Shop" near the bottom, click on that, then on feedback. You get a form to fill out.

I would really enjoy watching this show, so please give them feedback.

Thanks,

Ted

Tivo?

Clay Craig in Miami

>If someone out there has Tivo and a DVD burner, it's possible one could make his own? I don't think copyright rules are violated if the copies were then distributed not-for-profit (and maybe one would also have to leave the commercials intact?)

OTOH, I'm happy to nag 'em for an 'official' set too. PBS makes DVDs of some other shows that seem pretty marginal, this one ought to have a real market.

Vaguely related, I got the Ken Burns' Baseball set of DVDs for Xmas. Haven't cracked 'em open yet, this time of year is just too beautiful here to stay indoors. 10-DVD sets are for August weekend days when the Marlins are on the road and it's 'both 90' (degrees and humidity).

Clay

Re: Tivo?

paul womack

>I don't think copyright rules are violated if the copies were then distributed not-for-profit

Er. I think that *is* a breach of copyright, although IANAL.

Here's what St Roy said, via the OLDTOOLS list.

BugBear

Re: Tivo?

Roger Nixon

>I have Tivo but no DVD recorder (yet). I have recorded episodes 2305 - 2313 this season and am starting on episodes from season 21. I can record these to VHS tape easily enough but I need to pick up a DVD recorder.

Or I could hook up my Tivo with a wireless ethernet interface, download to my computer and burn on my computers DVD-RW, hmmm.

"fair use," and not to be a killjoy, but....

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>I used to work in an industry that was very concerned/involved with copyright law for print, photography, and video. Legal "fair use" is extremely limited in the US.

Make a tape of any copyrighted work for yourself to watch later and you are golden--that one was tested and codified in the '70s. Lend said tape to a friend, and you are in very deep gray, but can might get away with it under the law. Give it to the same friend, and you are way outside of legal protections. The Tivo idea is about thirty seconds from midnight with respect to the letter of the law.

The odds of getting caught are roughly zilch--that's not why we have laws.




/jvs, still grumpy from getting burned by a client in a related legal area last year.

Best of both worlds

Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I need to get one of these!!! A bit pricey right now though :-(

Pioneer Tivo/DVD Recorder

Wendell

Or...

Scott in Douglassville, PA

>...burn to VCD or SVCD on a CD-R. You really need to see Roy Underhill in full digital resolution?!

Re: "fair use," and not to be a killjoy, but....

Clay Craig in Miami

>Shows how little I know about it. (And, I'm a damnlawyer! Not a copyright lawyer, obviously.)

Clay

at least you didn't say "patent attorney" : )

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>

Of course ...

Clay Craig in Miami

>If someone made such DVDs, I would fully understand that the ones sent to me were not mine at all, rather they were merely in my possession on an indefinite-term loan ...

It appears RU will be doing the discs himself someday. Regardless of law, it feels much more wrong to me if there's any commercial or other permitted avenue of access. But (hypothetically), if I promise myself to (and do in fact) buy every single RU/WW DVD as soon as it is available at full retail, is there an ethical (as opposed to legal) breach if I borrow, buy, or receive as gifts homemade copies of the same shows in the meantime? Does it feel different (again, only ethically) depending on whether the copy is a loan, purchase or gift?

Ah well, just noodling.

Clay

Re: Of course ...

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>There is a part of me, an ex-software developer who is a strong advocate of paying for intellectual property, that says some sort of product has been needed for a very long time, that St. Roy has known this, that PBS has known this, that $20/VHS episode is a rip off, and yet, they've refused to provide it. In addition, not all PBS stations broadcast the show. Therefore, I think you could make the case that you don't think it will ever be provided since it hasn't been provided during 20+ years of broadcasting, therefore, it's fair game. Whereas copying the books, which are readily available, would be egregious violation of the copyright laws and should be punishable.

Pam, who's no kind of lawyer at all

Re: Tivo?

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>No... that is when we go to the Marlins games!

No ...

Clay Craig in Miami

>I intentionally said "when the Marlins are on the road."

Go Fish!

Still Basking In the Glow Of Series Title #2, and looking forward to Miami Hurricanes Baseball within a few weeks (preseason #1 in the nation).

Clay

D'oh!

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>I will put on my reading glasses.

I will put on my reading glasses.

I will put on my reading glasses...