WoodCentral Forums

Est. 1998 — 27 years of woodworking knowledge

Europe lumber question

Posts

Europe lumber question

#1

Europe lumber question

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I have never seen a mill in the US saw metric lumber, even for export. So I presume all export lumber will be sawed by US standards- rough sawed green at 1 1/8" or close to it, and about 2" longer than some number of feet- 8,9,19 etc? I don't even know if there is such a thing as metric sawed lumber.

If you get an "oridnary" sized board sawed in Europe how is it different from what would be imported from US which ? How would the US board be measured for sale in Europe, given that it was produced and measured for export in bdft?

Are there metric wood screws?

Re: Europe lumber question

#3

JL

Re: Europe lumber question *LINK*

JL

Not sure about the lumber question.

Yes, there are plenty of metric screws. We were in England and Wales for a vacation a number of years ago. I got "bored" with the castles and wandered around the shopping areas for a bit in York. I happened upon a nice hardware and tool store :)


Screwfix

Re: Europe lumber question

#4

JL

Lumber  *LINK*


Howarth

Re: Europe lumber question

#5

Re: Europe lumber question

johnv

most hardware stores in US carry metric screws both wood and machine in two different thread counts.

Re: Europe lumber question

#6

that was easy

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Rough 4/4 is about 25 mm. They seem to be calling our 4/4 lumber 25 mm then planing to metric standards.

No hint how a 1000bdft pack of white oak arriving from the US would be resold as a ??? metric pack in Europe. Given the US hardwood conventions that go into defining what a 1000 bd ft of 4/4 white oak is I can't imagine what sort of conversion factor would take this description to some metric equivalent. I suppose by convention one could convert 1/12 cubic ft to Cu. meters or some such.

Re: Europe lumber question

#7

Re: that was easy

Barry Irby

Took me a while to figure out the price was for a metre of the material.

I noticed that some of the materials were labeled in millimeters and then there was a note like (4 x 2) and (2 x 6) apparently making it clear they were the equivalent of the Inch measurements.

I have also seen plywood sold as 1220 x 2440mm which mysteriously converts to 4' x 8', whatever that is.

And I wonder why Baltic Birch plywood comes 5' x 5' and yet is in mm thickness? Five feet doesn't convert nicely to Metric.

Re: Europe lumber question

#8

Re: Europe lumber question

Sgian Dubh

"If you get an "oridnary" sized board sawed in Europe how is it different from what would be imported from US which?"

Measure and practice are essentially the same during milling. Whereas in the US logs are sawn to yield after drying common thicknesses of, for example, 1", 2", 3", boards, and some increments in between such 1-1/4", in Europe equivalent metric measurements are the target, i.e., 25, 50, 75 mm and 32 mm (~1-1/4") after drying.

"How would the US board be measured for sale in Europe, given that it was produced and measured for export in bdft?"

Measuring for the sale of sawn boards is the same, i.e., Length X Width X Thickness, except the measurements are taken in metric. This typically applies when a smaller purchase is made, e.g., say ten or fifteen pieces of a hardwood to make a cabinet or a table.

If a woodworking company buys a complete banded and wrapped package of an American sawn hardwood through their wood merchant, it's generally sold in metric measure, no matter what measure the US exporter invoices the wood merchant. It's a simple sum to convert from bdft to m³, and no doubt the wood merchant has the conversion buried in a spread sheet. bdft/~424 = m³, e.g., 12,000 bdft/424 = 28.30 m³. The actual conversion factor is 423.74 to just two decimal places.

Similar to the US, machined wood, much of which is now described as 'regularised', such as stuff either sawn or planed to common sizes, such as 2 X 6 sawn, or 2 X 6 nominal prior to planing are sold as 50 X 150 mm nominal (or sawn) is sold by the linear metre, the equivalent of the linear foot. Typically, lengths of such material come in increments of 300 mm, which you'll notice is very close to 1ft. So, material is cut to lengths such as 2.1 m (a bit shy of 7') then go up incrementally to numbers like 3.2 m (~10-1/2 feet) or 4.8 m (a bit shy of 16 feet). Sale by linear metre is also the practice for machined standard mouldings, e.g., skirting board, architrave, floor boards, V-groove and ship-lap cladding, and so on.

Well, that's what happens here in the UK, and it may be a bit different in continental Europe. But you still come across UK merchants that can work in cubic feet (we don't use bdft at all), and most UK woodworkers and merchants are pretty adept at switching reasonably seamlessly between metric and Imperial measure. For instance, making a fairly typical table might need something like 7 - 10 ft³ of rough sawn wood (84 - 120 bdft), and I can pretty much instantly convert that to ~0.25 m³ because I carry in my head the conversion factor of 36 ft³ per 1 m³ - the actual conversion factor is 35.31, but 36 is close enough for a quick mental calculation. Slainte.

👍 This page answered my questions

Your vote helps other woodworkers quickly find the answers and techniques that actually work in the shop.