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Repair and finishing a box - finish Questions

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Repair and finishing a box - finish Questions

Joe in a Cleveland suburb

A friend asked me to do some repairs to this dog show tack box.

It needs a lot of work. For the most part it appears to have been constructed using pocket screws so disassembly and repairs should be easy.

My question is mostly about finishing it. My thoughts are, after the repairs and a good cleaning with maybe TSP or just mineral spirits, is to do the following-

1- light scuff sand all surfaces

2- apply a coat of shellac (Zinser Seal Coat)

3- apply a coat or two or what ever it takes of some sort of Gel varnish to try and color/tone the wood to a consistent color somewhat close to what it is now.

4- apply (brush on) a poly of some sort.

Does that sound reasonable?

The reason I am thinking a gel varnish is because there are pieces that need to be completely replaced including the 1/4" oak plywood top and with the gel varnish, if the wood is sealed first with shellac, I should be able to tone the entire thing to about the same color. At least I've read you can do that. I don't have a way to spray a toner on it.

This box belongs to a person that is a big name in the show dog world and it is going to be auctioned off to raise money for a special event.

Thanks for any advice.

#1 Back of box. All the brass looking hinges need to be replaced. Aluminum angle stock is applied around the top.


#2 Back lid rail is split. Needs to be replaced. Somebody drove screws into each end to hold it together. Don't think I can hide those screw holes.


#3 Front of box. All the aluminum looking hardware needs to be replaced.


#4 1/4" plywood top needs to be replaced.


#5 This image has nothing to do with the box. It's showing my new hydraulic table saw off feed table :)


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Dick Coers

Gel varnish will do very little to tone the wood, maybe you meant gel stain. I would not put a poly over a varnish. I would just do some dye in the shellac coat if you need to provide a color. But with the way that thing is treated, I wouldn't think color makes a lot of difference.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

plug cutter

Jack Guzman from Maine

You can't hide those screw holes but you can make them less visible. I would take a piece of the same species of wood and cut plugs out of it ,drill for the plugs,glue them in and cut flush with the surface.

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The best photo is the last.

Yonak

..Or the last photo is the best.

I'd get rid of those continuous hinges and put on some robust hinges.

Joe, you may consider making a new box for the auction. It might be less work.

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David Yoho

I'd definitely make a new rail where the hinge mounts. As far as finishing, Mohawk makes toners in spray cans but, as someone suggested, you can add dye to your Seal Coat and accomplish what you are wanting as well. I'd probably use something like Arm R Seal to complete the finish.

Replacing the hardware might be tricky but the aluminum angle is easily found. Looks like a fun project.

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Joe in a Cleveland suburb

"I would just do some dye in the shellac coat if you need to provide a color."

Good idea. Thanks.

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Re: plug cutter

Joe in a Cleveland suburb

I might do that, didn't think of it. Thanks.

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Re: The best photo is the last.

Joe in a Cleveland suburb

"last photo is the best."

Thanks. He's actually an AKC Champion and his brother was just shown at Westminster a couple weeks ago. One of my girls has puppies due in a few weeks sired by him.

"Joe, you may consider making a new box for the auction. It might be less work."

I've been thinking that too...

Thanks

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Joe in a Cleveland suburb

"you can add dye to your Seal Coat and accomplish what you are wanting"

I think I will try that approach on some scrap oak. I have a bunch of different colors of dry pigments I got from Jeff Jewitt a few years ago. I think they can be used in shellac. Pretty sure anyway... :\

Thanks.

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Barry Irby

Go to YouTube and check out Thomas Johnson Antiques for some inspiration on repairing things. I used to do repairs like that and Johnson is very good.

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Joe in a Cleveland suburb

I'm aware. I subscribed to his channel some years ago. Good videos.

Thanks.

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