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OT - Trivial fact of modern life

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

I was following up on a false alarm from one of our smoke alarms today, and the second customer service rep I talked to (the first one having given me bad information) told me that there's a scienterrific reason that smoke alarms containing batteries are more prone to some types of false alarms in the middle of the night than during the day. Houses are generally cooler overnight, and the battery output goes down as it cools. If it's borderline, that can be enough for the smoke alarm to decide it needs replacing, leading to the "replace the battery" signal. Then, during the day, as the house and thus the battery warm up, the battery gets above the threshold, and the smoke alarm decides it's fine.

And all this time I thought it was Satan, or at least a lesser demon.

He told me that he'd asked this very question during training, which is where he learned the answer above. My kind of customer service person.

He also mentioned (public service announcement here) that Kidde has concluded that lithium batteries in replaceable-battery smoke alarms are a bad idea, because a failing lithium battery sometimes emits a chemical that can damage the electronics. Too bad: three of our smoke alarms require getting out the six-foot stepladder, and one requires the eight-footer, so I'd put lithium batteries in all of them and was feeling good about not having to replace batteries every year.

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Bill Howatt

I did a bit of Google and it seems that a certain lithium battery will last 10 years in smoke detector service. If you have one of these or perhaps others, then it will last longer than the replacement interval for the whole detector.

Bill

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chemistry lesson

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Indeed any chemical reaction that generates a voltage and current has a temperature coefficient . But for the few degrees difference between day and night house temperatures it is pretty diddly, 0.002V/ degree C for a car battery for example. But I can see that statistically the low voltage trigger would occur more often at night if the house was statistically cooler at night.

As far as the harmful fumes, it takes a seal failure to generate leakage. In my experience a seal failure is more common on the alkaline batteries in which case caustic will leak out and corrode all it touches.

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Free exchange

Kevin French

Last Saturday the Red Cross showed up with 3 Volunteer Fire Fighters. Turns out I signed up for FREE 10-year Replacement Smoke Detectors at the Firemen's breakfast last spring. We even got a FREE CO2 detector in the basement

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walta

Low battery warning is a 1 second chirp so short that the sounder will not reach full volume very different than a false alarm that will blast the alarm at as long as the fault remains present. If you have interconnected alarms the low battery alert should not sound the interconnected units while a false alarm will sound all units.

“Kidde has concluded that lithium batteries in replaceable-battery smoke alarms are a bad idea.” But when Kidde installs lithium batteries in a seal unit suddenly it is not a problem. I tend to agree lithium batteries in replaceable-battery smoke alarms are a bad idea but for very different reasons. One some of the 9 volt lithium batteries are slightly larger physically and may not fit and may be damaged if forced. Two the circuits designed to monitor the alkaline batteries charge level will not work correctly because output a slightly lower voltage of lithium batteries. Yes if you over charge a lithium battery it can explode and spray nasty stuff all around. The smart move is to use the recommended battery.

I suspect my Kidde false alarms were caused by spider or dust getting into the units and have stopped once I started blowing them out with compressed air annually. Yes AC powered Kidde units must have the batteries replaces every year if you want to avoid warning chirps.

Walta

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Re: False Alarms

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In New Jersey

So I put one of the 10-year/no battery replacement alarms outside the bedroom where my new grandsons sleep as an extra precaution. No chirps.

About a year later we're all having dinner at a restaurant in town when the baby monitor in their room starts sending us sound alerts. I key in with my phone to find the smoke alarm going off.

Holy s------! Fire?!!

Leave my dinner and race home while calling the local FD. Get to the house fully expecting the conflagration. No smoke outside so I charge in the door . . .

Nothing. No smoke. No fire. Nothing but a screaming smoke alarm.

Call the FD to cancel their run but proceed to check the house, every nook and cranny from basement on up.

All clear.

Drag the 8' ladder upstairs, rip the damn thing off the ceiling, wrap it in some rags and put it out in the garbage can where, eventually, the battery would run out.

Silence (and peace) returned.

Family brought my dinner home in a box.

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William Duffield

Warning chirps put my 100 lb. retriever into panic mode, and she can usually hear them a couple of days before they get loud enough for anyone else to hear them or identify which alarm needs a new battery. If she wants to get in your lap, you can't stop her, but more often she just runs out and stands in the middle of the street, stopping traffic. At least, with all the deer we have around here, and the flock of resident peacocks, and the turkeys and goblets, drivers are used to the obstacles.

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