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CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk Ban

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CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk Ban

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CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk Ban

david weaver

On august 28, CITES removed the restrictions for appendix II rosewoods if those rosewoods appear in finished musical instruments or musical instrument parts.

North Indian Rosewood was removed in its entirety.

All other items under appendix II under 500g in wood weight are also now allowed to be shipped internationally without paperwork (though it will be a risk to do this until the doofus staff at shipping services has caught up - this decision is only two days old).

What this doesn't relieve, unfortunately, is vintage tools with brazilian rosewood parts, nor guitars with brazilian rosewood fingerboards but with significant age.

Also, as a surprise, African Padauk has been added to appendix II of Cites and has no musical instrument exemption. I'm not sure if many people use Padauk, but I'm sure that the chinese furniture industry has probably found favor in it when rosewood became harder to get. So, it's off the menu now.

Bubinga and Palisander also get the musical instrument and small weight exemption. You or I could ship lee valley plane handles now, but my understanding is that they will still be required to do paperwork to get the stock to use bubinga.

This is not a big deal to most on here, I'm sure, but I nearly lost $2,000 last year on a guitar that did not run afoul of cites because I owned it already and shipped it to myself from Japan to here. The proxy shipper that I used would not ship the guitar to the united states, and informed me that they would destroy it if I didn't find a domestic recipient once they'd packed it. Stu Tierney bailed me out, shipped the guitar here and of course, our customs, didn't care about it at all (they did inspect it, but it came through without delay or charge). This will also allow makers like Fender and Gibson to put rosewood parts on guitars (they have gone to pau ferro and granadillo or compressed artificial wood products for some models), and the rule that exempted me did not exempt any commercial transaction between two parties. It only applied to shipping items that you owned as a private individual.

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Re: CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk

Woodie49

What?

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Re: CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk

David Weaver

If it's not recognizable, then it's probably not something you'd need to look into. IT's influence goes only into things that you may say down the road, like "we used to see padauk and rosewood at the lumber supplier, but not so much these days".

IF you ship or buy from overseas and you're unknowingly buying something restricted, it can cause you great financial loss without any recourse.

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Re: CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk

William Duffield

Why would you want to work with padauk or own something made from padauk, anyhow? When first cut, it starts out with a garish orange color (OK, maybe it's the color of your college football team - I could forgive that. :D ) but all too soon it oxidizes to a rather boring Van Dyke brown. Further, I've never seen a specimen saved by spectacular figure or chatoyance.

This, of course, is a rhetorical question, and if it gets around, maybe it will reduce the pressure on the ecosystems where padauk grows naturally, but I doubt it.

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Re: CITES Relief for Musical Instruments - Padauk

david weaver

Yeah, I don't know who the big consumers of padauk are, but they must be chinese furniture, potentially stained furniture and either finished to lustre or film finished to brightness.

That said, it was a good option for making wooden tools for a while because it was dense, smooth and cheap. Steve Knight made a lot of planes from it.

I haven't seen it on musical instruments (rosewoods are obviously popular there, all types that can be stained dark and worked relatively easily), and pau ferro is now popular because it can be shipped without CITES restrictions.

The fact that the north indian rosewood is removed entirely from restriction, i don't know what that implies because I don't know which tree that is. I have bought supposedly legal table leg blanks to resaw into guitar fingerboards and make plane bodies out of, and it is not tightly ringed stuff, but it is divine to work with and heavy. Are they legal for real? I doubt it, but they were shipped from within the US, so there is no paperwork requirement there and I can't tell. Despite the restrictions, there were sellers on ebay from India selling items as large as complete solid body guitar blanks, and they had good feedback. I don't think the USDA/customs was really doing anything about that, more the people who bring in wood by the pallet and intentionally mislabel it to skirt paperwork because the wood wouldn't get through with proper paperwork, anyway.

At any rate, long story short, my reaction is the same. "why is (african) padauk getting added. Who is buying it in quantity?" and then "what's north indian rosewood, that's not restricted, I need to find out what it is in case it's good".

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North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

david weaver

Sissoo - not what we think of rosewood. Big twisty tree with knots.

Ebay shows lots of padauk turning blanks and bowl blanks.

I can't say I don't have some of it stashed from a desire to get big dried bowl blanks to resaw into plane blanks. I'd remember it if it was expensive, though.

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Re: North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

lavatic

I just loving a table, can you please help to look does it made in rosewood?

[url=https://www.umiteasets.com/chinese-tea-table-with-black-stone-platform-and-chairs.html]https://www.umiteasets.com/chinese-tea-table-with-black-stone-platform-and-chairs.html[/url]

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Re: North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

lavatic

I just loving a table, can you please help to look does it made in rosewood?

https://www.umiteasets.com/chinese-tea-table-with-black-stone-platform-and-chairs.html

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Re: North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

lavatic

unable to put a link, you can check the image URL


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Re: North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

Mark Salomon

Looks like stained quartersawn sapele to me

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Re: North Indian Rosewood - Sissoo

david weaver

Cheap manufactured furniture. Look at the grain direction on the stringers on the stools (some would eventually break from foot contact).

My first job had a table with grain orientation like that in the lobby. On my first interview (corporate place, something I wasn't really used to), I sat down on the couch and rested my feet on one of those stringers, and it broke instantly. it was just mahogany or something similar cut in whatever shape was needed without regard to the fact that it would break with the first significant contact.

Those aren't that thin, but it shows a lack of care, and my two kids could step on those fooling around an break them.

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