I wonder what was on the wood to cause the finish to spread away in an almost perfect circle.
This happened on the third application of regular Minwax gloss polyurethane that is thinned a little with mineral spirits. The previous coats were sanded and each was applied with a brush.
After sanding, the panel was vacuumed off then wiped with a quality tack cloth.
I used 0000 steel wool on the spot/panel and applied a last coat last night. The circle did not reappear. Looks good now.
Obviously there was some kind of contamination or whatever. Something in the thinner? In the poly? On the wood?
No big deal, just curious if anybody had any thoughts as to what it might have been so I can be more careful next time.
Is there any chance that a can of the same size as the "spot" was on the work on earlier coats? There may have been a temperature gradient, or perhaps a substance on the bottom of the can.
I don't think it was in the poly. It looks to me as if something the identical size of the spot was on the surface a some point and telegraphed through for a short time. IF it cleared, you may have wetted or sealed the area with later coats. With your care and remedy you caught a break.
A drop of something with a surface tension vastly different from finish got dropped in this spot. (that's the "easy" part). What? That's the hard part.
Silicones are the classic source of this kind of problem. An amazingly tiny amount of silicone can cause this "fish eye". It could have been a tiny amount of the hand crème that you use to keep your hands fashionable.
If silicone it is hard to remove. Simple sanding won't do it. Wiping with solvent might remove it.
I refinished some cabinet doors. They had been waxed. Finish was stripped with methylene chloride stripper, then lightly sanded. Still got fish eyes. Cure was an additive to the finish.
"Is the spot simply a different luster or is it a crater?"
If I looked really close, I could barley make out a crater. You know like ripple radiating from the center. And the center of the crater is a different luster. Or rather was because I sanded and applied another coat of poly and it seems fine now.
Mark Mandell mentioned silicone which I figured something like that did contaminate the surface of the wood. At first I discounted that because I know enough to keep silicone sprays and so on away from my wood working.
But I kept thinking about where silicone might have come from and I think I know. I have Golden Retrievers. They are shown and I do the grooming.
In my basement, I have a dedicated waist high tub to bath them in. Then I move them over to my 'workshop' area where I have a fold up dog grooming table. I cover everything in my workshop.
The dogs are blown dry with a forced air no heat dryer. Like a leaf blower - the idea is to blow the water off the fur, not a heated hair dryer like humans use, that would damage the coat/fur.
Along with blow drying them, conditioner is applied to the fur as well as various sprays that enhance various areas of the fur and so on. I found out that one of them contains silicone... that is likely the culprit.
The more I think about the last time I did any grooming, these panels were leaning against the wall and may not have been covered well enough and/or the dryer just blew water/moisture under what was covering them.
It's the only thing I can figure. Guess what I am no longer going to do in my little workshop?
The only part that puzzled me was the drop sized defect. Your hypothesis explains that puzzle.
Dogs groom themselves. Seems like all that chemical goop you put on winds up in the dog. If you would be unwilling to drink this stuff..........Something to consider............
Part of my shop is currently a farmyard bird incubation center, hatchery, and chick brooding area in the next room. I hatched 40 chicks about a month ago and at the moment have 70 guinea fowl eggs and 11 peafowl eggs at various stages of development in the incubator. I'll try to avoid grooming them with silicone!
"Seems like all that chemical goop you put on winds up in the dog"
Valid point. We don't use typical flea and tick control products because we don't want to put pesticides into their systems. We are careful what they eat. We don't vaccinate to the vets schedule (we do titer tests which measure the existence and level of antibodies to disease in blood), we don't use fertilizer/herbicides etc around the house and so on. We try to watch out for their health as best we can.
But you made me wonder... what is in these products we use. I went and looked at the bottles. None list ingredients. Some say "non toxic" on the label. Some say nothing.
One shows "Unique silicon-formulated". A quick Google search shows silicone is inert and non toxic to dogs.
I think I'll start doing a little research to see what is in this stuff. I wonder if companies are required to provide MSDS sheets for this kind of thing.
I have a 2-year-old llama born here that will be shown later this month. Distinctive coloring and outstanding confirmation. The friend showing her will probably spend 2-3 hours getting her polished up. She said it is guaranteed someone will try to buy her - not for sale!
A guy on the other side of town (7/10 mile as the turkey flies) has peafowl. Some of the peacocks have escaped. Yesterday one was on top of my chimney, and one was on top of my next door neighbor's chimney, and they were "calling" back and forth to each other. Everyone in the neighborhood is getting "a little annoyed" (except the lady four houses down the street who feeds them ).
How much are peacocks worth? The owner has offered a bounty. My wife thinks he is offering too much.
How much is a peacock named Chester with a limp (due to automobile collision) worth?
How do I catch them? We'd like to take them home. 7/10 mile will significantly attenuate their blood-curdling screams.
The groomer would work dog mousse into their coats through a process of rolling in baths of fetid decomposition . Judging would be based on smell and appearance, with some points awarded for slobber, tongue drool and tail wag. When you see how pleased a farm dog appears after this preparation one can't help wonder that humans are taking dogs in directions they are not naturally incline to pursue.
I get great entertainment from the result of someone bringing a city dog to the farm where they can find dcomposing possums and the like. The rides home must be fun.
Raised a couple, a hen and a cock, from chicks. The hen rejected the overtures of the cock and eventually "rann oft." The cock tried to mount our chicken hens. Got rid of him.
I had a hermit farmer neighbor that raised those things. He never fed them, just allowed them to roam the neighborhood. They would take one bite out of a nearly ripe tomato - just one bite to ruin the tomato. They would get up on my roof and make a mess. I would chase them out of the yard and they would fly up into the tops of the trees down by the creek. If you have never seen a peacock in flight, it looks like a giant pheasant. I called animal control about them a few times. This was great entertainment, when the animal control guy would try to catch them with his long handled butterfly net. He never succeeded in catching one though! Those pea fowl are long gone, the old hermit is long gone, and his farm is long gone. Come to think of it, the house I lived in then is gone too.
>>>A guy on the other side of town (7/10 mile as the turkey flies) has peafowl. Some of the peacocks have escaped. Yesterday one was on top of my chimney, and one was on top of my next door neighbor's chimney, and they were "calling" back and forth to each other. Everyone in the neighborhood is getting "a little annoyed" (except the lady four houses down the street who feeds them ).
How much are peacocks worth? The owner has offered a bounty. My wife thinks he is offering too much.
How much is a peacock named Chester with a limp (due to automobile collision) worth?
How do I catch them? We'd like to take them home. 7/10 mile will significantly attenuate their blood-curdling screams.
Can you cross a peafowl with a turkey?
I sold two young male peacocks last year for $75 each but I could have gotten $150 each if I had tried. A place near here sells them for $250 a pair but I've seen prices of $500 a pair and some specialty breeds for closer to $1000 each. Even fertilized eggs are expensive.
I've caught my own peacocks and have caught them for others. Several ways.
- If on the ground, you can use a cast net just like you'd use in the surf for fishing or catching bait fish.
- If roosting on a fence or low enough branch that you can get behind wait until after dark and sneak up and throw a blanket or something over them then grab around their bodies. Avoid getting beaten severely with their wings, they are incredibly powerful. A friend caught one this way that showed up at his sheep farm.
- If they are in an enclosed area I approach holding a a thin blanket out wide with my arms, hiding behind it so they can't see me. They usually go into a corner and I'll cover with the blanket and wrap it around their wings and if possible their legs/feet. (I have had huge scratches on my arms from the claws so wear long sleeves. Maybe wear safety glasses) As quickly as possible I cover their eyes with my hand or the cloth. When constraining one for more extended handling or moving I pull a small cloth sack over their heads and they get quiet.
You can put bird or something in a shed or garage to lure them inside, scattering a little outside at first. Provide water too. You can often herd peacocks to where they can be caught. I use two 4' "sorting" sticks made for cattle and such held out horizontally. Do not make eye contact, walk very slowly and stop a lot - if you move too quickly they will spook and fly. Before I learned to only let one or two at a time out to roam around the farm I had to go find them and herd the flock (five birds) back to their cage, once over a mile away.
I transport in a cage in the truck, covered with a tarp. This time of year the males have long trains so I use a large cage.
The males naturally call so females in the wild can find them, usually only during mating season (which might last 1/2 the year!)
These are young males. Indian Blue peacocks have brilliant iridescent necks, even before full grown, lots of other colors on back, wings, tail, and train. The females are always drab grey/brown with some green color to their necks. The females have to remain camouflaged in the wild for a month when sitting on eggs. I gave up trying to let them hatch the chicks and bought incubators. I have 70 guineas and 11 peacock eggs incubating at the moment.
I don't thing peafowl can be crossed with any bird other than peafowl. There are a number of varieties and crosses. This place is well known - look at some of their birds (and the prices!)
I asked my closest neighbor if the cries annoyed him. He said he liked hearing them, when he closed his eyes they made him imagine he was living in the jungle!
Royal Palm turkeys. I build cages from 10x10 dog kennels with panels on the top and roofs to keep out the rain.
The Indian Blue pic looks a lot like ours, except the trains on ours are quite a bit the worse for wear.
Thanks for the advise, especially the hazards.
A friend showed me some pics of ostensible peafowl/turkey hybrids, but they sure looked 'shopped to me. Of course, if you'd never seen a real peacock, you'd think their pics were 'shopped, too.
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