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Mike Schwing

But you guys have an incredible breadth of knowledge here. I've been making my own turning tools with aluminum handles using a quick change collet system from Robust Tools.

http://www.turnrobust.com/product/tool-handles-robust-collet-handle-system/

I really like them. Here's what I can't quite figure out. I'm turning a piece of solid aluminum rod and boring out the hole for the knurled chuck end you can see in the photo here... . I initially bored out the hole for a snug compression fit figuring I'd use a press to get a good fit. The chuck adapter absolutely would not slide into the bored hole but snugged up just a tiny fraction of a few mms... in other words perfect for a press fit.

HOWEVER, as the solid aluminum was heated to assist with the compression fit, the chuck adapter slid effortlessly into the hole, and then tightened up perfectly as it cooled. I can't figure this out. I thought heating up a metal would make it expand in all directions , and expected the ID to decrease as the material was heated, but it expanded. This experiment is repeatable. I can reheat the handle and the adapter will slide out, then when it cools it won't fit. I'm going nuts trying to figure this out, what is going on?

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Larry Rupprecht

The expansion of the inner circumference is in keeping with the idea that heating a substance usually causes an expansion. If you consider the material at the very edge of the inner circumference and ask it to expand, the only space available is to grow its diameter. If it were to expand towards the center of the hole, it would run into its neighboring material which is also trying to expand towards the center. Other than becoming denser, the only option for all of this inner diameter material to expand is outward. End result is a larger hole.

This is one of the first basic science experiments for elementary schools. A ball and ring are displayed wherein the ball is too large to pass through the ring. If the ring is heated, the ball passes through. Material science at its simplest!

A second lesson was available for those of us who just had to touch the ring!

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Mike Schwing

Well it wasn't a lesson in any of my basic education! I've had several people explain this to me this afternoon, your description is probably the easiest to understand. It makes sense but just doesn't seem right on the surface. Thanks!

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That wasn't covered in my elementary school either

John in NM

High school physics class is where I saw that demonstration. Maybe a good junior high science class would cover it.

The easy way to think of it is that the inner circumference has to get longer, just like the outer one does. If it got smaller, the metal would be in compression, not expansion.

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Don Stephan

Not intuitive to me either.

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Brad Chenoweth

Another example of this is when we heat bearings in hot oil to make them larger in order to press fit them on a shaft.

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How about these.....

Barry Irby

Imagine the circle is a square....and the square is heated. You would expect the top and bottom would expand both lengthwise and widthwise. The same for the left and right sides. Since the sides are far longer than they are wide or thick, you would expect the square to get larger both inner and outer.

Imagine the the circle is solid, no hole, and its heated. You would imagine it would expand uniformly. So if you drilled out the center while it was hot, the hole would become smaller when it cooled.

Or, Diameter of a circle is D and the circumference is Pi D. So when heated the rim expands 3.14 times as much as the Diameter.

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Mike Schwing

I knew there were a lot of smart people in here. Thanks!

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TomD

Epoxy it in. Heat is not your friend with Al, though I don't know how much you are using.

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Mike Schwing

Hi Tom. I think I prefer this method, discovered accidentally, over epoxy because it is reversible. It is a super strong, tight fit and the amount of heat used was way less than the the welded joint just a few inches away. :)

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