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Are Wood Turners Proned To OCD?

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Are Wood Turners Proned To OCD?

charlie belden

>Although this seems to be true of woodworkers in general, it seems to be most noticable with turners OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). Four turning tools will cover most turning needs - yet most of us have a dozen or more. A bench grinder will sharpen turning tools well enough - but a ceramic or diamond honing tool will make them even sharper - even though only for the first part of the next cut. So All Things Sharpening find there way into the shop - to meet an existing perceived need - or some potential future need.

Sharp isn't enough. The edge has to be insanely sharp - and prefereably polished to a mirror finish.

If one or two faceplates, or chucks, or chuck jaws are handy to have - surely more is even better.

If a spur drive is handy, two must surely be even better. And two or three Steb Centers are handy to have - for some special need.

Can't fogret collets chucks - and jacobs chucks.

Tool Rests! You NEED a short one and a long one, and a curved one and a one that you can use on the sides of the piece AND the end grain as well.

LIghts! You've GOT TO have good lighting. Goosenecks - with a magnifying glass - that's a Gotta Have right? Oh and don't forget a little LED you can stick inside a hollowing.

Even if you've got the sharpest tools and use them perfectly - something is going to need sanding. So add a BUNCH of sandpaper - and steel wool - down to 00000. Don't forget a power sander - and one of those non-powered versions as well.

Oh - and finishes and finishing equiptment - rags and buffers with four or five different buffing wheels - in wool and felt and cotton and flannel - stiched as well as unstiched. And sticks of waxes and cans and bottles of Secret Formula finishes - with their corresponding solvents.

A piece of tubing and some lung power can blow chips and shaving and sawdust out of a hollow form - BUT - compressed air works SO much better. Add a compressor and some hoses and tips to the list.

Since you have to have a compressor - throw in an airbrush - and a bunch of cups or jars for it - as well as a box full of airbrush paints and dyes.

A flex shaft - with several handpieces - and four or five dozen burs and sanding disks - you have to have them right?

A hollowing system - you need them - for safety. If there's going to be catches - why not let the hollowing system deal with them - rather than some part of your body? Be sure to include all the accessory "tips"

A little lathe is nice - but a BIG lathe is even nicer!

Can't forget vacuum chucks. Having at LEAST one can get you out of a bind. Throw that in as well.

While free wood is usually readily available, a nice big chunk of some really nice burl is worth BUYING.

If you have a source for green wood - and who doesn't - get a gallon or two of AnchorSeal and start hording grocery bags - for turned green pieces that you've roughed - and will surely get back to - in a few months - or years. Of course they'll need a place to be stored - so get some shelves - a lot of shelves.

A bandsaw! You MUST have a bandsaw - prefereably one with a 12" or more range - and a table big enough for cutting rounds from logettes.

A CHAINSAW! There's all that free wood available - IF you have a chainsaw - and a chain sharpener.

A pyrographic set up expands Surface Treatment - add one to the pile - along with four or five or so "pens". Or better yet - make one - from a battery charger, some nichrome wire and some Radio Shack parts.

With all the stuff you have, or will, turn - you're going to need some display shelves and cabinets right?

If this isn't a description of an OCD suffered I'm at a loss for a better example of an otherwise "normal" person.

Or maybe it's just me who is afflicted - right?

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Katherine Kowalski

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Katherine Kowalski

>While collecting all kinds of stuff may be a symptom of OCD, there are very valid reasons for possessing all of the things you mentioned...

Most tools aren't interchangeable, and as a professional woodturner, I find that I definitely need different finishes for different projects, need expensive wood to work with my particular style, (and be able to sell my work), and need multiple chucks, faceplates, etc. in an effort to improve efficiency.

I wouldn't call it Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, merely experimenting to find the most efficient, best working solution for a particular project, plus all the extras that will get you where you need to go to produce a work of distinction. (I cannot even imagine holding a tiny branding iron to a candle to heat it up every time I want to do some pyrography!).

I think with every craft/art there's a propensity to gather materials and tools -- woodturning is not alone. But rather than assign that characteristic to a medical disorder, I'd prefer to think of it as "being interested in what you're doing."

Humans, in general, are very obsessive creatures -- ever met the guy in the office who collects binder clips, or the engineer who has sixteen different types of fiber optic cable samples in his drawer?

Besides... if it's not a disease... we don't have to get "treated" for it! :D

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woodturners are not prone to OCD

keith zimmerman, Normal IL

>Woodturners are like any artist that is serious about their work. It has to be as perfect as possible and make the desired statement. This is not a symtom of a disease, but is the nature of being an artist and perfectly acceptable.

My $.02 about this.

keithz

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Nah- we are simply hoarding

John Lucas

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Russ Fairfield

>Sorry Charlie but I can't let you get away with those 1st 2 paraghraphs without an argument.

We all have our personal preferences on how we sharpen a cutting edge, but it is a fact that sharp tools cut better than dull tools, and the sharper they are the better they cut. Add to that - the finish on the bevel is important because smooth polished bevels make for sharper cutting edges and leave smoother surfaces than rough ones.

Anyone who says otherwise has either not turned very much wood or has never used a sharp tool.

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Me too Charlie.

Norm smith

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Dick Hines

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Dick Hines

>Charlie, woodturning is like most other hobbies. The person who dies with the most stuff wins.

You don't need all that stuff. It just looks good in your will.

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John Lucas

>Especially true with carving tools. A polished bevel makes it slide through the wood easier. The easier it slides the less pressure you have which makes it easier to make accurate cuts. Not to mention less torn grain.

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Re: They're only tools, nothing more!

JamieDonaldson

>:D

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John K Jordan

>Hey, I read that a drive to write long lists was an indicator of OCD tendencies.

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Ron Lynch

>That's not OCD, that's just stuff I need

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Brad Vietje

MAYBE...

Brad Vietje

>... but I clean my shop with a rake, shovel, and garden cart, so I'm clearly not obsessive about cleaning!

Safe spinning,

Brad Vietje

Newbury, VT

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Bill Grumbine (Kutztown PA)

>Charlie, I don't think it is just you. But, I do think you need to look at a particular subset of woodturners, and that group which I love to pick on the most - engineers. :D Lots of engineers seem to find their way into woodturning, and if there was ever a group of OCD people, it would be engineers. Who else worries if the ways of their lathe are flat to 0.0000001"? Who else gets bent out of shape if the spindles are 2 microns out of alignment? Who else but an engineer uses scientific notation to calculate the setup of his varigrind? ;) See where I am going with this?

I have more tools than one can shake a custom turned stick at, but I am hardly obsessive. At least, I don't think I am. Come see my shop sometime. I am the Oscar Madison of woodturning. There is no room in my shop for obsession. :b

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Bill Neddow

>Charlie, you have just described my shop -- except, I have three band saws, two lathes, three chain saws ... I think I need help!

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Re:Bill et al- I generally break down turners....

JamieDonaldson

>... into 2 representative groups. The first is the group that collects, sharpens, cleans, inventories, hones, categorizes, and sometimes even uses tools, and these are often the engineer types. The second group grabs the first tool they find and makes shavings, and couldn't care less if there is a bit of rust on the lathe bedways. They are production oriented, not the least bit interested in the formalities of process.

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AndiWolfe

>Hey, Bill - I'm about as far right brained as can be away from those engineer types you're describing, but I would classify myself as OCD when it comes to attention to detail - especially on my carved turnings. For me it's not about the list of tools and gadgets. The focus is on carrying on until the details are just right. I might not know what that is when I start, but I definitely know it when I get there. :)

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Re: Engineers----ouch!

Galen Vetterick

>Every time I buy something new to add to my wood lathe and accessories I put the prime reason as some Experience Woodturner out there has influenced me into buying! It sure is not a new guy like me that just goes and buys on my own. I have been influence by attending symposiums, demonstrations, books, magazines, and DVDs showing a line of special tools, techniques or lathe accessories. Yes, Wood Central and the turners who post all the hot new ideas, tools and techniques have driven me close to madness!

I'd just would NEVER do this on my own I say!

And who was responsible for me buying so many handguns and reloading equipment in past years. Yes the old timers I would meet or read about in gun magazines. Would I normally think to stack three short wadcutters in a .357 case for home defense, no I read an articale by an expert!

But anyway having a lot of fun turning, buying and making tools I "need" since my retirement 3 years ago. I cannot take my money with me when I die!

Galen

Retired mechanical and structural engineer

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Bill Noce in Northeast Ohio

>Don't forget the Machinists with their calipers, mic's and rulers who are now woodturners. OCD is all over.

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charlie belden

>But come on Andi - a micro power sander? WHERE did you find that one? Is it tailed - or air driven?

I WANT ONE!

It does bring up the question of

"Do I NEED this - now?"

vs

"That's really neat - and I'm sure I'll find a use for it - eventually."

Sometimes getting a tool that you don't NEED - now - can open up possibilities that you hadn't considered, or considered the possibility and dropped it because of what would be involved to do it - with what you have.

The Festool DOMINO is one of those things that's a solution looking for problems to solve. It brings loose tenon joinery to even a newbie. And that can mean getting passed pocket screws or dowels - in ply - to doing some solid wood furniture.

The MiniMonster was one of those types of things. I wasn't interested in doing any hollow forms larger than christmas ornaments. Once I got it, an idea I had but couldn't actually make - with what I had, and my skill level with those things - became not only possible - but was actually made - like I had in mind (see Bot Sugar Bowl - that crawls away when you take the lid off the sugar bowl. Without the MiniMonster I could never have gotten the bowl plus "sugar" down to just 62 grams (that's 13 sheets of printer paper worht of weight).

Got a tool you didn't actually NEED - but got - and then found it enabled you to do something you couldn't do otherwise - or were unwilling to risk doing?

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Don in central washington

Re: MAYBE...

Don in central washington

>Don't forget that 200mph weed blower for the final pass thru the shop before you grab the shop cat and slam the door close while holding your breath.

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bill crommett

>Those 57 lathe tools on the wall are not the result of some compulsion. I just thought it would make me a better craftsman. ---- It didn't work ! But I had lots of fun working the cutting torch and making handles .

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charlie belden

>Normally, thinking you can buy a tool that will make you an expert is usually a mistake - and a common mistake. Tool demonstrators sure give you the impression that you CAN buy abilities you're not worth working to get. But unlike the "fool proof, perfect results every time" dovetail jigs and mortise and tenon jigs - there are turning things you CAN buy that do enable you to do things that would take a lot of time and effort to do otherwise. And turners keep coming up with more.

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john lucas

>I take a lot of flak for measuring wood to within a few thousands. My friend says the wood will move more than that in one day. Yea but in the few minutes it takes to make those parts it doesn't and boy do they fit well. :)

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Rob Wallace

Nobody mentioned ORNAMENTAL TURNERS

Rob Wallace

>Now THERE'S a group of OCD folks!

In my opinion, these are the true 'an*l-retentives' of the turning world....

...requiring lots of skill and mental analysis of every set-up, every series of cuts, spacing and number of wheel teeth, position of cutters, etc. plus lots of VERY specialized tools and accessories to make some of those exquisite pieces they do so well. Sorry, but I can't get to that level - does this mean there is hope?

We've had discussions in our turning club that ornamental turning isn't really 'woodturning' a much as it's 'woodmachining' in the metalworking sense. Don't mean to set off any firestorms, but it seems like a logical conclusion.

I also suppose that the "seggies" are somewhere in-between ornamental turners and the "chunkers" on the continuum of woodturning OCD affliction. They, too, have their sleds, band clamps by the dozen, miter gauges, chop saws, and "glue, up the wahzoo". Also obsessive about joints, complexity and intricacy of feature rings, open-segment gap spacing, etc. - This fits the general OCD pattern.

And Charlie, as you were describing the 'turning OCD syndrome', I was mentally going around my shop and validating essentially every comment with a physical reality here. Diagnosis confirmed.

Do you know if there is a 12-step program? Maybe this would be a good "Special Interest Night" therapy session at AAW Symposia?

Rob Wallace

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AndiWolfe

>Charlie - I use the Pfizer microsander, available from The Sanding Glove (Bruce Hoover). Tell him I sent you!

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