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Re: Vaccination is not a personal choice.

al morgan
Well I don't understand, you admit that smoking is still a personal choice as you admit it currently exists in many countries all over the world, even if "increasingly" its being mitigated. So my example is still valid.

But, if I must, then what about drinking...surely drinking is a personal choice, yet it can have severe health outcomes too.

Anyway, I'm reminded by the Ben Franklin quote:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I realize covid is a serious threat, but so are loosing our right to live our lives to our lawful standards of conduct...not of the non legislative decrees of government and the "new" priests of science (ie scientific experts). However, I admit that wearing a mask helps to mitigate the spread and not wearing a mask may pose a risk to others - but the effectiveness of said mask wearing is still being debated.

And as far as the threat of covid, its skewed so much to those over 80 and with existing health problems that some argue the overall blanket lockdowns, shutdowns seems by many to be overreaction....a hammer solution when a nuanced one is the right choice. Secondly, shutdowns/lockdowns are having a cost in lives too...increased suicides, job losses, increased poverty, put off optional health care for other diseases,...the list goes on.

And in the US we spent over $2 Trillion on the first covid relief, yet we only spend $158 bill last year for cancer ...where over 600,000 people die each year. Right now we stand at 350,000 covid dead. Money doesn't compare for the 600k cancer dead and their survivors does it. It seems to me, this is the new crisis of the moment, and ignores the really greater crises. Public opinion is a fickle thing I guess.

So on the face of it, you are much more likely to die from cancer this year than covid. And much of those cancers come from "life style" choices. Its estimated up to 50% could have been prevented. But for covid we meekly accept mandatory lockdowns/shutdowns and mask/hand washing for the "greater good".

Doesn't seem a greater good to me.

Good luck.

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