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Subject:
attractive old wives tales

David Weaver
since you can't really get a good shave with an incomplete edge, but you can do good woodwork, there's a desire on the shaving side to create more OWTs. OWTs breed where there is a possible explanation, or one that seems plausible even if it isn't.

I don't frequent shaving forums and didn't for too long as they're not really results based and people who have never sharpened anything are starting with the most sensitive thing you could sharpen (or one of the most).

My opinion, the hand held scope is what someone needs to have if they want to judge what their stones are doing and what they're doing. Not to make things take longer, but to learn to make them take less long.

A process to set up and hone a truly dull razor out of use is about 10 minutes, but it can be done wrong or ruined pretty easily. Or it can be learned and done easily. what folks end up doing is a bunch of work and the finest work doesn't get to the edge. If they had a hand held scope and spent 2 minutes confirming that they had uniform scratches to the edge each time and no damage in the edge, then they'd learn what makes results the first time.

So what follows is old wives tales and unlikely culprits. These same things end up in woodworking tools, but you can use the tools just fine without worrying about it if they're kind of sharp.

The unlikely culprits are proposed after an hour of this or that, and my comment would generally be " buy a hand held scope because whatever you're doing, you probably don't have the finest scratches all the way to the edge on both sides of the bevel".

"oh no, that can't be it. It's probably microchipping, a defective razor, large particles in the stropping compound, bovine leather instead of horse leather, ..."

on and on. And 95% of the time or more, the first look through a microscope shows things like the 3rd picture in this post does - the faces of the honed areas are bright almost right away, but the bits hanging around in the edge are still there. I can't see them. my vision is better than 20/20. I don't think anyone can see them - they don't reflect enough light to show up.

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Sharpening Stone Ominbus - here we go
White Cretan - Novaculite *PIC*
stone pics... *PIC*
Black Sedimentary Stone *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Norton Queer Creek *PIC*
Pic of the stone *PIC*
Re: Pic of the stone
Re: Pic of the stone *PIC*
Purple Welsh Slate *PIC*
edge picture with a razor *PIC*
Very dense....
Re: Purple Welsh Slate *PIC*
Owyhee Jasper *PIC*
picture of the stone *PIC*
Chinese Agate *PIC*
Pic of the stone *PIC*
crest complete (And more dursol) *PIC*
Re: crest complete (And more dursol)
Re: crest complete (And more dursol)
Re: crest complete (And more dursol)
separate, since you got caught in the net...
Re: separate, since you got caught in the net...
Re: separate, since you got caught in the net...
Re: separate, since you got caught in the net...
Wrong R
Greasy/Coated India Stone *PIC*
Re: Greasy/Coated India Stone *PIC*
Gray China (Guangxhi?) natural waterstone *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Linde A - Paraffin Buffing Bar *PIC*
Try bee wax
Fine buffing compound
practically...
one other side benefit
Also with iron oxide bar
Picture of the "stone" *PIC*
The real Llyn Idwall *PIC*
Picture of the stone *PIC*
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Picture of the stone
two llyn idwalls
Re: two llyn idwalls
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Picture of the stone
Black Hone Slate *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Smiths Hard Arkansas *PIC*
pictures of the stone *PIC*
Re: Smiths Hard Arkansas
Re: Smiths Hard Arkansas
Japanese "Barber Oilstone" *PIC*
Pictures of the stone *PIC*
Slurried Trans Ark.. *PIC*
Am I understanding......
Re: Am I understanding......
This is sort of a loaded situation...
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
The other real issue with japanese finishers..
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Clarifying hollow grind
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
dan's and washita.
Re: This is sort of a loaded situation...
Soft India?
soft vs. hard
Re: Soft India?
Now I am more confused
Re: I will make an exception…
Separately - a very good point made
Not defending wiley...
Re: Now I am more confused
Re: Now I am more confused
That explanation makes sense *NM*
Re: Am I understanding......
Picture of the stone *PIC*
Extra Fine India Stone *PIC*
Picture of the stone *PIC*
Sigma Power 13k *PIC*
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Re: Sigma Power 13k
Pic of the stone *PIC*
Re: Pic of the stone *PIC*
The rules of accommodation
Re: The rules of accommodation
Re: The rules of accommodation
Re: Pic of the stone
Re: Pic of the stone
Jackson Lea 5 micron "yellowcake" on softwood *PIC*
Is poplar soft enough
Re: Is poplar soft enough
picture of the wax bar *PIC*
Llyn Idwall *PIC*
Re: Llyn Idwall
Re: Llyn Idwall
Charnley Forest
releasing particles
Turkish Oilstone *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Dursol (Autosol) Metal Polish *PIC*
Tying up loose polishes - Autosol *PIC*
Re: Tying up loose polishes - Autosol
pic of the dursol *PIC*
(this one is good enough for everyone)
Re: (this one is good enough for everyone)
Re: (this one is good enough for everyone)
Re: (this one is good enough for everyone)
Re: (this one is good enough for everyone)
LV Green / Formax Microfine *PIC*
picture of the compound *PIC*
attractive old wives tales
Relevance? Question?
Re: Relevance? Question?
Clear summary thanks
Another White Alundum Japanese Stone *PIC*
Re: Another White Alundum Japanese Stone *PIC*
Very expensive (to me) japanese natural *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Re: Very expensive (to me) japanese natural
Dan's black Hard Ark *PIC*
pic of the stone *PIC*
Coticules - Fine and Coarse *PIC*
pic of the stones *PIC*
garnet
not sure
Unknown Japanese White Alundum *PIC*
the stone.. *PIC*
question
Looking at this picture..
I do both
Hand American 0.5 micron Green Chrome Ox *PIC*
pic of the oxide *PIC*
The purpose of the omnibus...
Not unicorn related, more clear
What else the creator of the weaver bevel post? *NM*
question for David
Re: question for David
Thanks David *NM*
Supremely Fine Japanese Natural Razor Stone *PIC*
Picture of the stone *PIC*
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Picture of the stone
Re: Thank you, David
Re: Thank you, David
very few will care about mines or stamps...
Practical question
Re: Practical question + another regarding scale..
Re: Practical question + another regarding scale..
Scale overlay
Re: Scale overlay
sorry, addressed differently
request
Brief comments...
Re: Practical question
Re: Practical question
Fine White Okudo Suita *PIC*
Picture of the stone *PIC*
Shapton Cream *PIC*
Pic of the stone *PIC*
Fine washita *PIC*
Pic of the stone *PIC*
Kitayama waterstone *PIC*
Re: Kitayama waterstone *PIC*
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