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David Weaver
but most of the time finish with diagonal strokes (at least partially) into the edge to weaken a wire edge, so straight scratches remain.

whatever a stone seems to like to work quickly, I do when getting the first 5 or 10 seconds of work done. When you're working with any stone that doesn't allow good cutting action however you move a tool around (diamond on cast doesn't care which way you move it, for example, it just cuts any way). On stones sometimes, when there is an abrasive slurry, if one just pushes a blade up and down the stone, some of them will cause skidding (shaptons do) and you get better cutting action if focusing small strokes in a spot (to keep the metal in contact with the stone, and not skidding on a loaded area) and gradually move that spot down the stone, it works much faster and the stone isn't loaded.

Or to be plainer, you do whatever you need to to keep the steel in contact with abrasive and not floating on an area that's loading/clogged or where a sloppy swarf is preventing good abrasion.

I like the circles, but haven't done any testing to see if they have any advantage. I also like the last few strokes to terminate in the edge at not be side to side so that if one of them is deep, the area of damage is just where the stroke terminates, and not a section of edge that comes off many times wider than the groove. Plus, the "tooth" that way feels subjectively a little sharper.

Circles are often good with heavy pressure in a small area on a stone that exhibits loading or suspending behavior because the iron doesn't escape an area where it's in good contact.

This is all personal preference, though - led by laziness (whatever seems to work fastest with the least effort).

Separate from these stones, there is a large improvement in flattening the backs of tools on sandpaper if the back flattening is finished with circular strokes - the number of dominant deep grooves from the sandpaper seems to be far less. I'll try to get a picture of that - it allows someone to, for example, go from worn 80 grit paper to a middle stone right away without steps between, and takes about 10 seconds to remove the dominant deep in line grooves that someone may get preparing an iron that's far out of flat.

As to the circles vs. lines, etc, one of the hallmarks of a beginner's stone is that it tolerates just about anything someone can do regardless of the way they move a tool. A fine india stone is kind of like this - you can take long strokes, do circles, whatever you want, and it cuts the same. A step or two finer than fine india (which is harder to find) does the same thing. Diamond on cast is like this on the backs of tools - move the tool around, the stone works).

Stones of nuance (Washita, oilstones, japanese natural stones), you can manipulate those things to make a stone work finer or faster, but I doubt most people have any interest in that - it's really only critical for razor sharpening.

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