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David Weaver
even the yellow and get a hang of it. you have the advantage of being able to talk turkey with my thoughts with the identical wheel (I ordered another one from that same supplier, too - not because there's anything special with it, but just because it's discontinued and I don't want to have to learn the fine buffing on another wheel).

The subjective sharpness from the yellow is beyond what I can do by hand. I think when we get to the really tiny sharpening sizes by hand, our influence on the edge is enough to do more bending and deformation than the abrasive itself. For some reason, the buffer seems sharper.

These shavings were gotten from just casually sharpening a plane (experimenting with a lower honed angle on the plane and then rounding over) with yellow bar. I don't have a way to measure them accurately, but I'd bet they're a fair shot below 1/2 of a thousandth.

Slowly getting to my point - you're safe with the bars for two reasons (as long as you get something 5 micron or smaller as a known particle size).
1) you're going to get an extremely sharp and uniform result
2) I don't think these waxed bars really hang around too much or too long in a buffing wheel. I'm sure some amount of them does, but charging every couple of uses is a good idea because of the amount that seems to be gone from the wheel.

That leads to a question that I had answered without asking, and that is, what do guitar makers and others do when buffing early wet sanded guitar top coats, because these small micron polishes would just create heat and burn surfaces.

The answer is that the bars come in a product called "greaseless" compound with coarse abrasive. Instead of the same type of wax as the coloring bars, the greaseless compounds are a glue mixture of some sort that sticks to the buffing wheel.

I'm going to buy a hard wheel with stitching all of the way to the edge at some point and one of the "greaseless" types to see if it works better than the deburring wheel (deburring wheels work really well, but if something with a sharp corner is introduced to them, they shed themselves pretty quickly). The deburr has no use in this process with chisels, but I do like to use it for interim sharpening with knives.

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Sharpening and buffing progression pictures *PIC*
Separate on the IH sorby chisels..
If the UK guys are correct...
Comparative Profile Pictures
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I have never looked closely at...
Profile pictures *PIC*
Thoughts on the data
Scale of Image
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Angle near the edge *PIC*
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This is a difficult thing to do precisely
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Capturing the Unicorn Profile
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Outstanding work, Winston! *NM*
Re: Capturing the Unicorn Profile
but, do I need to?
Calcined alumina *PIC*
sounds like gunpowder...
Scratches from various compounds *PIC*
Scratches from more compounds; buff vs stick *PIC*
Other Compounds
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Correction
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will do...
Well! good work
Red stuff
File in useless knowledge
partly my fault for voluminous posts..
hardness of iron oxide
Google monster says
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Wooden planes
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Thanks, Jon!!
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great experiments
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Re: Scratches from more compounds; buff vs stick
wait till you try...
The white stuff is...
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various compounds - difficult to judge
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looking forward to...
Further Observations
Some other things to try
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I am anxious to try your suggestion *NM*
Interesting..
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not sure I agree
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Factory ground *PIC*
Marples catalog...
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Re: Factory ground 1816 *PIC*
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blogger grind
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you're still failing...
after you do your survey, you'll find
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I remember reading this...
great work
Thank you for experimenting
these results will require some study
David & Winston
Buffing wheel vs hard felt
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Thinking about establishing the Unicorn profile
Amen, Reverend
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Tormek
if the tormek had a higher speed leather wheel...
Clarification, please
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Preparing a beading blade
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for testing plane blade durability..
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Suzuki Tool 4000
judging scratches
eek...expensive..
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