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Re: Reality with the steel

Date Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 6:09 p.m.

In Response To Re: Reality with the steel (David Weaver)

David,

I have a question about hand forging versus commercial forging and furnace heat treatment:

1st….You decisively beat the commercial hardness/toughness tradeoff for 26c3. ‘Decisively’, because Larrin conducted the tests and just sent you the results. By ‘beat’, I mean your forgings had higher toughness and hardness than the posted commercial expectation.

2nd….How did that happen? Same steel stock from westalpine. Same testing by independent source.

3rd….My interpretation is that your hand forging/heat treatment was better than by-the-book commercial. Not sure if you used multiple heats on those test forgings, like some of the Japanese smiths do. Any case, was it not the hand work that produced the superior result? And if so, is that not an example of hand skill being able to beat the cookbook?

Wiley

Messages In This Thread

David Weaver Chisels -- Wiley Horne -- Thursday, 9 June 2022, at 2:11 p.m.
- Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Brad Chenoweth -- Thursday, 9 June 2022, at 3:27 p.m.
- Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Bruce, a MN Galoot -- Thursday, 9 June 2022, at 3:42 p.m.
  - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Philip F Duffy -- Thursday, 9 June 2022, at 4:50 p.m.
- Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Steve D, in CT -- Thursday, 9 June 2022, at 9:14 p.m.
- Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia) -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 12:47 a.m.
  - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Wiley Horne -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 2:12 p.m.
    - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Warren in Lancaster, PA -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 3:45 p.m.
    - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Paul in NJ -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 4:29 p.m.
    - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- Rafael from PA -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 4:48 p.m.
    - Re: David Weaver Chisels -- TomD -- Tuesday, 14 June 2022, at 3:49 p.m.
      - Re: David Weaver Chisels *NM* -- Larry Barrett -- Wednesday, 15 June 2022, at 8:40 a.m.
- Treasures -- John Jesseph -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 12:00 p.m.
  - Lost track of David -- Bruce McCrory -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 1:21 p.m.
    - Re: Lost track of David -- Bruce, a MN Galoot -- Friday, 10 June 2022, at 4:36 p.m.
- Not mentioned....the handle and heat treat -- Bill Tindall, E.Tn. -- Saturday, 11 June 2022, at 6:56 a.m.
  - Re: Not mentioned....the handle and heat treat -- Warren in Lancaster, PA -- Saturday, 11 June 2022, at 9:16 a.m.
    - what is not straightforward -- Bill Tindall, E.Tn. -- Saturday, 11 June 2022, at 9:55 a.m.
    - Re: Not mentioned....the handle and heat treat -- Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia) -- Saturday, 11 June 2022, at 10:01 a.m.
    - Re: Not mentioned....the handle and heat treat -- roger lance -- Saturday, 11 June 2022, at 12:03 p.m.
- Some thoughts on vintage steel from David -- Bill Tindall, E.Tn. -- Sunday, 12 June 2022, at 10:06 p.m.
  - Re: Some thoughts on vintage steel from David -- Charlie -- Monday, 13 June 2022, at 5:04 a.m.
- Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 11:20 a.m.
  - Re: Reality with the steel -- Paul in NJ -- Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 4:15 p.m.
    - Re: Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 8:17 p.m.
  - Re: Reality with the steel -- Charlie -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 5:07 a.m.
  - Re: Reality with the steel -- Warren in Lancaster, PA -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 11:39 a.m.
    - Re: Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 1:23 p.m.
      - Re: Reality with the steel -- Wiley Horne -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 6:09 p.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 7:19 p.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- Wiley Horne -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 8:30 p.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 9:58 a.m.
    - Re: Reality with the steel -- Charlie -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 2:46 p.m.
      - Apparently you missed the point -- Bill Tindall -- Wednesday, 22 June 2022, at 7:53 p.m.
        
        Re: Apparently you missed the point -- Charlie -- Saturday, 25 June 2022, at 10:05 a.m.
      - Re: Reality with the steel -- Warren in Lancaster, PA -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 6:43 a.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- David Weaver -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 12:21 p.m.
        
        " it increases the edge cross section" -- David Weaver -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 12:47 p.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- Charlie -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 1:10 p.m.
        
        Re: Reality with the steel -- Charlie -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 1:12 p.m.
        
        The only one... -- David Weaver -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 1:53 p.m.
        
        Re: The only one... -- Charlie -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 3:25 p.m.
        
        Where can anyone buy a set -- Bill Tindall -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 9:10 a.m.
        
        Re: Where can anyone buy a set -- David Weaver -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 10:17 a.m.
        
        The "buy a set part" -- David Weaver -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 10:55 a.m.
        
        Re: Where can anyone buy a set -- Warren in Lancaster, PA -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 6:56 p.m.
        
        A wonderful tramp down memory lane … *NM* -- Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia) -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 8:34 p.m.
  - Re: Reality with the steel -- TomD -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 3:56 p.m.
    - I'm not sure... -- David Weaver -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 4:18 p.m.
      - I'll rise to that bait..... -- Bill Tindall -- Thursday, 23 June 2022, at 9:26 p.m.
        
        Re: I'll rise to that bait..... -- David Weaver -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 9:41 a.m.
        
        I'll make a guess.... -- Bill Tindall -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 11:11 a.m.
        
        Re: I'll make a guess.... -- David Weaver -- Friday, 24 June 2022, at 11:23 a.m.
        
        Re: I'll make a guess.... -- Bill White -- Monday, 27 June 2022, at 4:35 p.m.
        
        Re: I'll make a guess.... -- David Weaver -- Tuesday, 28 June 2022, at 4:15 p.m.
- Nice to look at, but has anyone made anything with one of these chisels? -- Bill Tindall -- Monday, 27 June 2022, at 9:31 a.m.

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