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How differences can arise
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Wiley Horne
Hi David,

How do reasonable people talk past each other on this subject?

This distinction may be useful:

1. National policy based on statistics.
Epidemiology tries to figure out how and where to direct the Nation’s response to Covid. Booster vs. no-booster for example. Use statistics to compare both courses of action in terms of most likely outcome, and standard deviations. Goal: How should the US allocate covid resources to achieve the greatest long-term health benefit for all our families and people?

2. Individual family policy.
Mom and Dad, both double-vaxxed, try to figure out how to avoid the worst case outcome for themselves, 2 kids, two sets of grandma and grandpa. Plus protect income from 1-2 jobs. Choice is booster vs. no booster—challenge their immune systems with a no-virus booster, or with the live-virus contagion in the air.
——Worst-case with booster: immunity improved, but not as robust compared to incubating live virus.
——Worst-case with live-virus incubation: parents may miss work in case of breakthrough, or may infect kids, or may infect any or all grandparents since shedding begins before symptoms manifest.

DIFFERENCE: Epidemiologists at Harvard et al. may rationally recommend a different plan for the US overall, than Mom and Dad decide for their family. Because Mom and Dad can’t average outcomes over 300 million people—they must avoid even 1 of their number going to ICU, or being out of work for 2-4 weeks with the whole family quarantined.

Wiley

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Agree...
Re: Agree...
In short, probably not worth it...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Nomenclature....
Re: Nomenclature....
Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
Re: My dad is 73...so is my mother...
I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
separately..
Re: separately..
Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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:( *NM*
Re: Well said
Re: Well said
(Message Deleted by Poster)
To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
Re: Frankly...
Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
Re: More Bridges! Was: The problem
I will provide more details
Re: I will provide more details
Will post
Re: Will post
Re: I will provide more details
Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
Re: OT Doesn't
Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
side effects...
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
Re: FDA says no to widespread boost
Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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