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I think at 15 months shy of 90...

David Weaver
..I'd err on the side of action rather than observation, too.

You make a good case for what i'm pointing out here - it may not be the same rules for all when the smoke clears. A lot of us (based on the studies of other groups who either got vaccinated or have covid) have quite a bit of latitude in helping solve the problem - as mentioned in the israeli study, 66000 or so individuals (I didn't go back and check the observation) involved, all either with covid, vaccine or both - no deaths. That's a real luxury.

Based on the data thus far, you would probably be fine with two shots, but that's thus far, and we're all in this together and you have to do what you feel is right between you and your doc.

I only know four people who got their booster thus far. I post off and on on a rural forum and it's a horrible pool of misinformation. There are three of us in total who are urging the folks on there to seek truth and stop saying nonsense like "any data from a hospital is suspect".

At one point, I posted on there that age neutral, it would seem about 4-5% as likely for someone to end up in the hospital unless they were a real basket case (unfortunately that's what many of us are at the very end). Last week, the health system here wanted to make a point for the younger who think vaccinations aren't needed other than for the elderly and they released that 19 of 20 hospitalized individuals under 50 are unvaccinated. I used CDCs odds numbers to come up with the 4-5% based on current chance of getting covid and then current chance of getting hospitalized (vaccinated vs. not).

I have some background in data and statistics - you never know if everything will fit that well when you get a sample unless you collected the statistics or have a lot of background (I don't). It turns out, that the odds based on the hospital sample are just a little over 5% for the under 50 crowd. It's not a real surprise. The group disavowed the data as being biased because it came from a hospital. What can you do.

I know there are some upset with my bringing up this topic because I think it's important to check cohorts and learn what's really working, what's not, what works in the short term, what works better in a model that's looking back through a few variants as we look to the future. Now, to the point of that gropu.

Unfortunately, one of the others who is in it with me on that one (and I know I'm wasting my time over there and have mostly stopped visiting - there's no use when people don't care if they're helping or not) has a spouse who received her third moderna shot, reacted very poorly to it, had a cardiac event and set off her pacemaker and she's in the hospital now).

To his credit, he posted it, and didn't hide it to fit his argument. This is part of what I was mentioning earlier about potential outsized reactions once we all have what they're referring to as "more flexible antibodies" that seem to perfect in some senses even after no further exposure (become reactive to a wider range of proteins). this is an interesting topic - in this case, that is the first person I've heard of getting the third shot and I would bet it will be a rarity. I will wait and see, but I'm not that interested in the adverse reaction for me - more the long term "flexibility of antibodies", because the objective to me is to not have covid in any volume in the community (or to have us completely indifferent symptomatically and outcome-wise to it).

I hope you have many long comfortable healthy years yet.

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Agree...
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In short, probably not worth it...
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Nomenclature....
Re: Nomenclature....
Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
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I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
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Re: I think the study data ...
His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
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Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
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separately..
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Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
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It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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:( *NM*
Re: Well said
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To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
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Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
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I will provide more details
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Will post
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Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
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Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
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side effects...
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
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Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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