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David Weaver
...this gets tracked back to the initial discussion of whether or not the first shots were a good idea. That's water under the bridge for me - the data was definitive.

Subsequent death and morbidity rates have been just as much so.

I'd have signed up for a trial if eligible - there were some early candidates here, but they never panned out and I never heard of anything. All of the folks I know who got in on the moderna trial (I don't know anyone who did pfizer) worked in healthcare (I don't) or had some connection to be polled.

So, that's not the issue (if it is for other people, they can still debate it). It's more about the long term - it's a curiosity to me because data collection is fine enough now to make more complex decisions that have no politics involved in them (and I don't mean like party politics, I mean people getting attached to strategies and wanting to win at the upper levels of decision making - not a fan).

Still, the point of this thread was to bring up my original comment in the prior thread - I hope we're wise enough to actually track the different cohorts and make strategy based on what actually works best, and not just something that works. At this point, I'll await a second group of data that agrees with the israeli study - I'm suspicious when the difference is that stark (7 to 1 for some bits and 27 to 1 for others). CDC and states could actually collect and provide this kind of information, like open source (it would be costly to actually do that because it's not just like posting a webpage - it would have to be secure enough that it couldn't be hacked).

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Agree...
Re: Agree...
In short, probably not worth it...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Nomenclature....
Re: Nomenclature....
Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
Re: My dad is 73...so is my mother...
I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
separately..
Re: separately..
Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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:( *NM*
Re: Well said
Re: Well said
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To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
Re: Frankly...
Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
Re: More Bridges! Was: The problem
I will provide more details
Re: I will provide more details
Will post
Re: Will post
Re: I will provide more details
Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
Re: OT Doesn't
Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
side effects...
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
Re: FDA says no to widespread boost
Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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