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Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

David Weaver
I think the tests are kind of shaky after the local antibodies are gone (not a doctor, not versed in the rush of antibodies vs. the "marrow" kind that last longer and are made at low levels, potentially for life).

Something that shouldn't be too surprising is different outcomes with different variants. Kentucky data showed the earlier variants seemed to respond better to vaccines and the reinfection rate was lower for vaccinated folks.

Israel's data on delta seems to show the opposite. It's important to understand why rather than dismiss one or the other - they could both be legitimate and accurate studies with results that would be duplicated if run again - simply due to the effectiveness of different immunity to different variants.

The kids are fully in school here - mine are young. My mrs. is jumping ugly for my daughter to turn 12 in a couple of months and that's fine - whatever she chooses will be fine (I'm staying out of it, though I suspect that my daughter would be better off getting "the real thing" now as all of us are vaccinated and there is nobody compromised here). The situation may be different for others.

Dotted around my neighborhood are people who didn't get vaccinated and got "the real thing" and had unexpectedly bad outcomes (talking about younger folks who ended up in the hospital for something that should have been preventable). Of course, some older folks and relatives of neighbors also died early on.

With all of these things, if we're going to make good choices, we have to know the full set of information (for example, as you propose some troublesome information about the vaccine, we should also be aware of whether or not the effect of having had covid does the same thing or worse).

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
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Agree...
Re: Agree...
In short, probably not worth it...
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Nomenclature....
Re: Nomenclature....
Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
Re: My dad is 73...so is my mother...
I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
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His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
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separately..
Re: separately..
Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
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It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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:( *NM*
Re: Well said
Re: Well said
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To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
Re: Frankly...
Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
Re: More Bridges! Was: The problem
I will provide more details
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Will post
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Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
Re: OT Doesn't
Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
side effects...
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
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Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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