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Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

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It would be a huge outlier ifvyou get a far better effect from having the virus than getting the shot, and it is also highly likely more durable. We won't know for a while since the general trend is to accept any claim made for vaccines, though they turn out to be less effective than promised, and to underclaim for typical responses to infection from disease, since "we haven't seen the data yet", which is true.

There is a recent quality study out of the UK that says that the incidence of long COVID in kids has been vastly over-estimated, though to some extent the article started with such a high estimate that it really was not terribly reassuring.

The CDC just came out with the results of blood samples taken from 1.4 million people that show that the incidence of protection by having had COVID was twice as high as had been previously believed, and that total US "immunity" may be around 80 percent. Studies of this kind have been pretty slow in coming.

There have been instances of people getting their kids seized by authorities for relatively minor covid infractions like the adult not wearing a mask out of doors while with a child. Though that might have been OZ. So there is a custody risk of some unspecified magnitude of pursuing a child infection strategy, though that does appear to be what a lot of school boards in Canada did last winter, unintentionally, with ludicrous standards. They failed to follow their own medical panel standards by a long shot, and upon testing it turned out that air quality standards (CO2 levels are a good marker for potential exposure to COVID) did not even meet the standards for general air quality in 1/3rd of schools in my region. COVID blew up in Schools first in Ontario, and led to long lockdows for everyone.

Ontario is generally a very well run place, but one gem this school year is they decided to advance some 11 year olds for vaccination since some 11 year olds will be at school with 12 year olds who can be vaccinated. This notwithstanding that the actual testing being done mainly in the US will not be available for child vaccine safety until 2022, or 2023.

If you have girls it might be interesting to see what data Pfizer got on their only recently completed reproductive health safety testing, there have been a lot of troubling field reports. And it might be interesting to know when we will see tests on a younger cohort on that subject. You could also check to see where WHO, UK, and EU are on child/teen vaccinations, they were significantly lagging at one point, even though some of that is around the vaccinate the world first stuff, it is still significant for our children medically.

A starting point would be to test kids to see if they have already been infected, since you can't be blamed for that. It boggles the mind that isn't standard. It is interesting that the CDC has recently completed some data as per above, presumably not because they consider it irrelevant.

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
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Agree...
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In short, probably not worth it...
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Nomenclature....
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Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
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I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
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His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
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Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
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separately..
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Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
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Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
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It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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Re: Well said
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To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
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Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
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I will provide more details
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Will post
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Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
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Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
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side effects...
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at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
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Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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