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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

David Weaver
Not going to push this topic on long like the "Bill, is there data showing a need for a third shot" one. We've all seen the news - the breakthrough cases of covid are higher in number (percentage) with delta, though the death and ICU/Morbidity data is a little sketchy so far (I haven't seen it).

What I see from the CDC is a middle estimate of something like 80% protective (2 MRNA shots) of hospital visits vs. no vaccine. 5 times better odds (the range given was fairly wide, but it probably reflects the data set and considerations).

At any rate, fast forward, what I wanted to know as an individual (and my spouse gets mad at me every time I say it, but I suggested to her that having hidden our kids from everything during the early variants was a bad idea once we were vaccinated) is whether or not it seems worth the risk to get covid, the "real" covid on the outside chance that the immunity may be more durable or better in general (specifically, dealing with variants).

I realize to most people, the answer for that is no. For me, I'd prefer to get it, but I would also get shot by the mrs. if I did (i'm 2 pfizer shot vaccinated, so my risks are fairly low).

https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

I saw the pre-peer reviewed release of data from israel a couple of days ago. I also figured that I'd wait a few days to see if it was debunked.

Our bias in the states is going to be toward boosters. I don't know that that's the right thing, but it's above my pay grade. I know the money will flow to make sure that's the case.

The data set used for the study above was 32,000 individuals. The superiority of natural immunity in the data was stark against delta - it wasn't just a little bit. If more data is collected and it holds out, we have to wonder if we're on the right track boosting people who aren't vulnerable, or if we're stretching out a problem.

Food for thought for the weekend as some variants are speculated as potentially evading the vaccine antibodies (but none are dominant, so that's just static at this point).

This study is seemingly at odds with data that was collected prior to delta dominance in the US (where the CDC said a study in kentucky suggested higher chance of reinfection for unvaccinated folks who had previous covid than covid then vaccine afterward).

I hope we're (as a society) trying to get the right answer in this and keeping our eyes open rather than everyone digging into their ideological trenches. The environment out there isn't great for someone who just wants to get and interpret data - I can guarantee everyone thinks I'm in a certain political party (i'm not in any political party) - it's just the case that each group thinks i'm in a different party than other groups.

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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Ditto *NM*
Re: you guys are welcome...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Agree...
Re: Agree...
In short, probably not worth it...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Nomenclature....
Re: Nomenclature....
Yeah...
the last part is often lost...
My dad is 73...so is my mother...
Re: My dad is 73...so is my mother...
I think at 15 months shy of 90...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Vaccination vs. Get-the-disease
Wrong start here....maybe I wasn't clear...
A bit wider picture
I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
Re: I think the study data ...
His point is pretty clear...
Recorded vs. actual Covid deaths
Absolutely
excess mortality...
Still missing the point..
Pfizer data
I think.....
Re: Pfizer data
Thank Goodness...
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing
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Interim Parts vs. Outcomes
measuring the outcomes...
Thanks for a good discussion... *NM*
Re: OT -How(!) memory falters with time
Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
Re: Isn't it amazing?
The overall response ...
Re: Not So Amazing, Rather Simple
some of us...
clarity is needed....
not to mention..
That is a distinctly modern effect....
One of the hazards of discussions...
I'm not surprised....
Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
separately..
Re: separately..
Of course.....
Re: Booster versus ... Seminal Work
you're right...
Re: Booster versus no-booster for the vaxxed
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Hi, Johanna...
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
Re: OT - COVID shots - one more thing
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It bothers me less...
Frankly...
Frankly...
How differences can arise
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:( *NM*
Re: Well said
Re: Well said
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To be fair...
Isn't this how we got here?
This was my point from the outset...
Ditto. *NM*
Re: Frankly...
Re: Here are 30 000 reported side effects
Doesn't
The problem
Re: More Bridges! Was: The problem
I will provide more details
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Will post
Re: Will post
Re: I will provide more details
Does roofing count?
we love..
Unfortunately....
Re: OT Doesn't
Well said...
pfizer data and persuasive...
Where did these data come from?
File and preliminary israeli data
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
side effects...
Re: pfizer data and persuasive...
at 81...
FDA says no to widespread boost
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Alternate link to FDA actions
A good conclusion!!
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