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Subject:
Success will be assured
Response To:
Unsolicited suggestion ()

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.
Your plan will lead to success and few will take the advice.

Personally I think Elliot's plan of learning while building stuff as needed will not lead to success in drawer making or piano playing, but it suits a certain personality. There are several critical skills to master. The way to master some of them is to experiment. Experimenting on something you hope to use will be avoided. Can't risk screwing up the whatever. Learning by experimenting is impaired. Success is delayed or never gets there.

Lets take the current topic of chiseling. What is the best way to get the chisel registered in the scribe line, or for that matter how to prepare the scribe line so that registration comes easily? For a long time I accomplished this task with my hand registered on the board and my finger tips holding the tip of the chisel blade. It is quick and reliable and leads to hand fatigue. With a better defined line one can hold the chisel handle and still quickly register the chisel tip into the line. I now drift between these approaches. One needs to experiment to see what works best for where they are at on the learning curve.

Then there is chisel bashing. What is best to establish the first shoulder? How hard to bash (or pare as a professional friend does) to make the first shoulder. How hard to bash to strengthen it? What details preserve the base line and what encroaches it. If one is stressed over messing up a product I don't see how one learns to efficiently and reliably make this joint. Being too careful leads to what Elliot has experienced. If he didn't give a damn how the tail looked he would have been inclined to experiment with doing something different from the struggle he was having. To hell with Sellers, lets see what works for me.

I never made good dovetails until I began to not give a damn how they looked. Suddenly with the stress gone they got better and got done quicker. Oddly my best dovetails are done when I am making something quick and dirty.

I looks to me like Elliot's saw kerfs are crooked. This happens often when I am teaching. The student is so stressed about making the angle "right' that they keep correcting the direction of the saw. Start the saw and continue whatever way it is headed. Once I pound into their head that the angle is irrelevant the saw kerfs straighten. Down the road they can get the angle more right.

If I have not made a drawer for a while I make a practice dovetail before starting on a set of drawers. Normally the last drawer is better than the first, yet they all work!

I teach a half day how to make a drawer dovetail class. I have yet to have a student fail to make a successful joint to fasten together a 5" piece of poplar. The secret is to get them to not worry about how it looks by stressing speed. As if by magic they wind up not bad and entirely functional.

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first hand cut tails *PIC*
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Unsolicited suggestion
Success will be assured
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are you missing a piece of essential equipment
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Kirby is how I started
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Advice, praise and learning curves
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Art, fine art, and utter messes....
I agree with what you say...however....
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Re: Peter Follansbee... *LINK*
You missed the point
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Beauty is as beauty does (in my case)
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my experience with the schools..
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Flawed
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I don't buy it...
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My situation was unique I think...
Is there a psychologist in the house?
The outer frame; the border. *NM*
Thanks for playing, Wiley :) *NM*
I don't think it matters...
The kids...
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Re: Is there a psychologist in the house?
I'm waiting for...
Correct.
Where to start a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle...
Where do you start a 1000-piece puzzle?
Re: Flawed
said better than I did *NM*
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Re: Unsolicited suggestion
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Re: Unsolicited suggestion--Stud Mills?
Re: Unsolicited suggestion--Stud Mills?
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I don't do a lot of dovetails...
You provided some sage advice *PIC*
Re: I don't do a lot of dovetails...
yeah...
Re: Form Follows Catches :D
Skew chisel *PIC*
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I did my first ones in oak... *PIC*
just read bill's later post..
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Slicks and makers
Re: Slicks and makers *PIC*
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Slicks and makers
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