Hand Tools

Subject:
I think we're agreeing...
Response To:
Re: Calling BS ()

David Weaver
...but there's too much in my talk for it to be clear.

I think a 40 year worker could use my try plane without wearing it out. Could two in a row? I don't know. They would go through several irons. as to how much planing that is for someone? I don't know - there are not individuals who can do the act of planing and sawing (vs. moving up and getting younger bodies) for 40 years.

I don't read historical texts, so I have no idea how they address this - I recall seeing a video segment in africa where they are still building house trim/doors/etc by hand because there is no other option. They are talking to some of the carpenters who mention that by the time they are in their late 30s, they are spent and are looking for other career options. They were working in smaller groups and it appeared that in that case, it was more like freelance (So someone in their 30s didn't move past doing the physical work).

All that said, I would expect the double iron planes to last longer than single iron planes. They can plane a larger volume of wood for the same amount of iron consumed (that's a fact based on my use of a high quality early single iron jointer and the need for it to be sharpened more often and inability to do work as heavily as a double iron plane), and the smoothers are more dependent on the fitting and condition of the mouth vs. a double iron smoother.

I'm sure they wore out planes, but the context is important now - for Steve, the idea that he could make a beech smoother and someone may wear it out without abusing it is a chance pretty close to zero.

The other interesting point larry used to try to make is that single iron planes (it's in writing in the archives here) were more common than we think but they were "better" and therefore got "used up". That's borderline comedy material, but I'm not sure that larry ever hand dimensioned anything bigger than a plane.

The long and short of that is, I'm sure people wore out planes. I don't know what proportion of that was accelerated by misuse, and at this point in history, a new beginner may read that and think it's a concern (that the wood plane they're buying is a consumable), and it definitely is not.

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Light vs Heavy planes
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
not the direction I went *PIC*
5 1/4
Re: reframing the issue
Re: reframing the issue
Friction, and more
The experiment and conclusion are both confusing
Re: Heavy and light
The best case for heavy planes...
another factor
If you're trimming furniture...
At some point..
Inertia and figured wood
Re: Jim, what is Osae-gani? *NM*
Osae-gani
Re: Osae-gani
Note on fitting
Re:wedge fitting
funny...
Re: funny...
Re:wedge fitting
biases for the maker...
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
Not a positive contribution to the discussion
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
finding out who to listen to...
Re: Same
Old history
Shops using mostly hand tools..
Re: Shops using mostly hand tools..
Don felder's guitar...
Misprint?
cultural thing...
Re: Misprint?
Re: finding out who to listen to...
I agree...
Re: finding out who to listen to...
Turnover, newbies and FAQ
comment on teaching
If you get my drift...
Re: Light vs Heavy planes
new vs. old planes...
I like tools from Brooklyn
Re: I like tools from Brooklyn *NM*
Infills in the UK
I'm glad you commented.
Note on a modern infill
konrad's planes...
Re: I'm glad you commented.
what I've found...
Re: what I've found...
interesting that...
Re: Calling BS
I haven't seen it....
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Truing Kanna
expanding on what jim said
Re: expanding on what jim said
Re: expanding on what jim said
Coupla thoughts
different methods of lapping and the bump
Re: Calling BS
Re: Facts, not assertions
Re: Facts, not assertions
I think we're agreeing...
Re: I think we're agreeing...
Re: Me too
Wood isn't indefinitely stable, either
Re: Calling BS
Re: Calling BS
Re: Calling BS
by the early 19th century
Re: by the early 19th century
It's not offered as ball court...
I miss Todd Hughes' contributions too *NM*
Re: It's not offered as ball court...
I'm guessing on parts here...
Re: Can't argue
Weight Comparison
more infill weights
Re: more infill weights
now there is a pearl of wisdom
Re: more infill weights
initial fitting...
one more follow-up comment.
Re: one more follow-up comment.
rosewood
Re: rosewood
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