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Re: Light vs Heavy planes
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Light vs Heavy planes ()

TomD
I have a lot of planes, quite a variety of different styles, and weights. I think weight is mostly useful for keeping the iron in the cut, and momentum in the cut.

Pull planes, which are mostly Japanese, but they don't have to be, solve both these problems. They will stay fully engaged in the cut because the geometry is radically different. Essentially you are pulling on the edge as though it were a fish hook, or anchor, and it just sucks into the cut. It won't stutter. A western plane is more like a pole vault, or like playing road hockey and catching a pothole, and going over the handlebars. You lift up out of the cut. Of course, both use hand positions ahead and behind the edge, so it is a matter of degree.

The problem of momentum is solved by speed. Whether it is a cultural thing, or a thing about the type of plane, I find these planes are often used at about twice the velocity of western planes. and your body is pulling, sorta like a tug of war, you weight can hang off the plane. Though the handles are not what most people might want to be hanging from. The plane might be that much better if it was also heavier, but it is not necessary, so why wear oneself out.

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One thing I found given having been making and collecting planes for 40 years (user type collecting), is some planes just work better. There is something about the whole being greater than the sum of the parts, that is just incomparable. I have one "Norris" like block plane that is just superb, it is heavy. Well worth it. But I have block planes that are half that weight, and are also good. But that Norris one is special. It is just good. I would not generalize that the key is the weight.

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A thing about that period is that it was all about making fine shavings. There was one guy who had a lot of infill planes and would report on their nuances of relative performance, with charts, and so forth. He had never tried wooden planes, or maybe it was Japanese planes, but had interesting data on what he had. I think we have progressed beyond that point. Super fine shavings were old hat for me, at the time. But one way or another anyone can make them. In addition people discovered the breaker, which was not a secret to the folks who had been around either. But the internet is like that. It gets the gold, eventually. I have seen the same thing happen in other areas of interest. I have seen an amazing expansion in archery knowledge, something else I have been doing for a long time. Archery is different, because it is explicitly and implicitly competitive. But woodworking is not competitive at the technical level. The last few percent of performance don't decide anything.

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Light vs Heavy planes
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not the direction I went *PIC*
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Friction, and more
The experiment and conclusion are both confusing
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another factor
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At some point..
Inertia and figured wood
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Osae-gani
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biases for the maker...
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Not a positive contribution to the discussion
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finding out who to listen to...
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Old history
Shops using mostly hand tools..
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Misprint?
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I like tools from Brooklyn
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Infills in the UK
I'm glad you commented.
Note on a modern infill
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what I've found...
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I haven't seen it....
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Truing Kanna
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Coupla thoughts
different methods of lapping and the bump
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Wood isn't indefinitely stable, either
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by the early 19th century
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It's not offered as ball court...
I miss Todd Hughes' contributions too *NM*
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I'm guessing on parts here...
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Weight Comparison
more infill weights
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now there is a pearl of wisdom
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initial fitting...
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