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david weaver
I don't think I have a scraper plane at this point (sometimes it's hard to remember what you've sold, but the last thing I had of that type was a LN 212 or whatever the little bronze one is called).

If you follow the method that charlesworth espouses and use a truly smooth burnisher (polish it yourself if you have to) so that the hook is continuous and perfect, then you can get a surface on hard maple and harder that looks very similar to a planed surface. Softer? Not so much.

You can roll the burr to be quite large if your process is good (charlesworth suggests an angled fixture to get this kind of precision, and it definitely gets you there faster, but you can do it without once you have touch).

What I recall of the large scraper plane is that the shaving is an awful lot like a little bit too closely set cap iron. It's shorter, straight and wavy. That is, if you're taking a healthy shaving for a given burr.

Like the single iron plane, it suffers in terms of economy of effort when compared to the double iron plane. Does it matter if you have a lunch box planer? Probably not. Does it matter if you have six panels of curly maple that have been set aside for a day when the weather changes before you do final surfacing. It matters a TON. That particular activity convinced me to pitch high angle planes and sell the large scraper plane that I had (the small one is useful for japanese planes, but you can make something really simple and cheap to do that job, too, or (look away, brian) use a hand held burred heavy scraper to scrape the hollow slightly less neatly).

In deference to Charlie's comment that I don't build much furniture, I still have those six panels (as well as the rails), waiting to be built into a curly maple and cherry blanket chest that was in FWW at one time. In this case, procrastination has paid off, as the original design had through tenons, and I'd never let such a thing show these days - I am no Brian Holcombe, that's for sure. I also laid the finish on thick and rubbed it out in those days - something that needs to be removed from those panels.

Anyway, that's the last thing I scraped in earnest, and I bought the small LN scraper plane to do it after, I believe it was Wiley, commented that it followed the contours of a surface much better.

The 63 degree plane that mujingfang makes proved to be worthless (it was either slow or impossible to push with little in between, and the surface on soft curly maple would've needed sanding to be finalized). The Large scraper plane proved to be worthless and endless frustration (same thing - big footprint that needs a surface to be dead flat, and little ability to remove any significant amount of material) - the small LN scraper followed the undulations much better. A simple stanley planes it with ease. A costly lesson overall. A pro would've done all of the work that I did on the same day they ran the panels through a drum sander, but I didn't have that option.

Deference from Charlie now back to Warren - history wins again.

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