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david weaver
Warren, I'm not sure what you're looking for. I don't think there has been any lack of credit pointed toward you for pushing this topic (however subtle). I have literally mentioned you on forums that don't have members in this country, generally. Contrarian and argumentative from me are no slight if you have good material and experience - if someone can't learn something when they're proven wrong (and we often remember when we were wrong better than when we were right), that's on them. I guess the way we come across is often not the way we intend to, but I have gotten multiple PMs (perhaps a dozen) over the years from people who have asked the same "is Warren trolling?"

My response to that is "no, absolutely not. I thought it was possible when I first started reading these boards, too, but if you stick around long enough, you'll realize that's not the case".

No comment about larry and the overhang. His detailed responses poisoned me for about five years until I saw the limitations of the plane type he likes.

Let me say this, there are probably two people who have had a significant effect on my thoughts of woodworking and the fact that it has been the only hobby I've had that sticks:
1) you (in regard to the double iron, discussion of subtleties, liveliness in design and the lack of sanding - which for someone who had childhood asthma is extremely important in lieu of the desire to set up some absurd multi thousand dollar contraption of electric sucking noise making piping and fans)
2) George - in terms of design. The first saw I made looked OK. I still have it. It didn't look great. I had no clue who george was and thought he was a bit of a curmudgeon because he can spot a fraud from a mile away. He sent me a message and said "give me your phone number", which always makes me a little bit leery. He called, told me my saw could be better and how. Everyone else on the forum said "great saw, that's great" out of politeness or ignorance of how it could be improved. George spent about an hour talking to me about design-type items (crisp lines, proportions, etc) and while I felt a little bit beat up about it at the time (being moderately proud that my first saw was workable and decent), it didn't take long to realize how right he was.

Just about everything else I've ever read from anyone, I could take or leave. I have a great local friend who is precise and intelligent, but he is insistent on every single thing being done by machine - so I can learn from him, too - and that's what not to do. Both you and George are intelligent and accurate, and experienced. I haven't seen a lot of your work, but I could hardly guess it's anything other than exactly what it should be. George's work is easy to find - at least some of it is.

I have the opposite of you - lack of restraint. It's how I learn - repetition and refining, goading people into proving me wrong so that i can learn (many won't offer anything at all, otherwise). I can be friends with people I don't agree with, but I often notice that others don't agree with that. People who need exact step by step instruction float to my inbox, I guess, because of my reputation for word count and detailed discussion, and in regard to the dozen or so messages I mentioned above, they often say "Warren doesn't help me the way he describes things." They think the subtlety and one-and-done type of posting isn't spoonfeeding them like they'd like". My response to them is simple - "Warren will speak up when he sees something incorrect. It's best to listen to what he says, and you will get about half of what you need. The other half you will need to go to the bench and figure out, but it will be well worth the trouble. You will own the knowledge that you come by and the subtleties will be possessed above your own two feet, and when you learn to work that way, it will open a lot more doors and a lot better thought process than looking for the next list of bullet points to follow exactly."

I hope you think that's fair. To me, it's as it should be (ideal, etc, however you want to put it). Instruction from someone should do two things - point you in the right direction, and give you the chance to refine your own ability to learn.

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