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Re: Cap iron setback and shaving thickness

TomD
"You know as well as I do, if you're having a discussion about any of this with someone who planes machine planer marks off of a board, they're not likely to grasp why any of it is really that important."

While we are on style (can I just pre-confess massive guilt), You are probably right that there are contrarians who always sound like they are on the negative, even if in reality they are just making a point from possibly considerable experience, and 10x the time in the seat. But there are also fan boys who are late to the party, over-emphasize their latest realization and then following the next synthesis will be in some completely new country for the following years.

The critics are more annoying I would imagine because nobody likes a critic, and setting the record straight is essentially less useful to the newbie population than setting a reasonable course. But fan boys bring it on themselves, like Columbus discovering the Americas, which had been inhabited for millennia, the guy who brings in the immigrant gets to re-write history. But you are going to get some blowback.

The idea as in the quote above that most guys who use planes only remove a few planer marks (not to mention how similar that is to removing minor tear-out), is ridiculous. There are whole crafts that regularly do far more than that: Green woodworking; bamboo rod making; lutherie by hand (still a commercial craft); timber framing; boat building; etc... And many of the big name authors who had the fancy books from the 70s, like Krenov.

The thing was that around 2002, there were all of a sudden all these influences for single bit planes. I went to my second Japanese plane making seminar, and they weren't terribly interested in breakers, which was cool, because it reassured me. But we had Clark and Williams and all the bevel up guys. Also people were rediscovering molding planes across a wider group of users. The point is that was a blip. I don't know where the majority of the craft is today, but for at least ten years, a lot of it seemed to go to single blade. For at least 100 years prior to that it was globally double bit, and for a lot longer than that in most places.

But all we get is this trash about the unique position of a few people; no reference to the impact of wood types in different crafts, as it critically depends on what you are doing to determine what you need to use; and a general ignorance of the history my lens (other than a minor amount from relatives in the craft) hits a wall around 1970, so I am guilty of all that too, just fewer around to complain.

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