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Re: Cap iron setback and shaving thickness

david weaver
I recall those, Warren, but you are afflicted with something (or perhaps it's intentional) that prevents most people from picking up on what you're saying and that is the following:
* quite often, your responses make you appear to be contrarian in nature. I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it looks that way when most replies are in conflict with something that's been said rather than before that
* your descriptions of things are often vague or incomplete. like "it's subtle, it takes many years to perfect".

I barely remember the first time the K&K stuff came out (before the videos were available) because they got little press. At the time you were arguing in favor of the cap, only Todd was also arguing with you. Todd's explanations weren't complete, either. Larry's were, but they were erroneous (double iron planes can't feed at the corners so you lose effective width and that's why double iron planes are wider, you can't reliably set the cap iron at the right projection, ...).

I doubt anyone would've believed anything I said, either, even in detail - without the video following shortly after (perhaps that was february 2012 and the video came out in march?).

The one thing that led me to persist was the fact that nobody else said they were dimensioning by hand, except for you, and when I dimensioned with single iron planes, it just seemed like there must be a better way to go that wasn't so directionally sensitive. I don't recall at all what I expected for specs (I don't think I had any), but figured if I set my planes aside and used a cap iron for two weeks, I'd figure out how to use it just by need. That turned out to be true (I don't think it took two weeks to see a benefit over single iron planes - it may have been a small fraction of that). Summary of that, it wasn't anything that you said that led me to learn to use the cap iron, it was the belief that you were probably right whether or not I could figure out what you were talking about at the time.

You know as well as I do, if you're having a discussion about any of this with someone who planes machine planer marks off of a board, they're not likely to grasp why any of it is really that important.

In this case, I asked a very specific question about why tearout reduction would be improved. As you say, maybe it's easier to set the cap if you can see a uniform projection. I don't need that, but maybe in the future I would appreciate it. For what I've seen so far, it's solving problems that I don't have, and none of them are tearout related, or effort related.

I never close the book on a question ala Larry, so I'm going to read with interest any time someone can express the benefit in setting a cap iron to match the profile of an iron when the sole doesn't match the profile. I wish Nicholson would've done it, but maybe the audience wasn't appropriate.

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