>Joe, There's a reason that used W&H's pop up only now and then. They are bulletproof, made to last literally a lifetime and are made in the USA. I bought mine used 15 years ago for $300 and it hasn't done anything but work beautifully ever since. IMO you should hold out for the real McCoy even if you have to spring for $1600 for a brand new one. It'll be the best money you ever spent and you'll be supporting American workers, not Chinese thieves stealing US designs and jobs.