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Pictures of Various Honing Options

david weaver
(in response to someone's comment on another forum about "what should I get to go a step up from autosol)

First, two edges as calibrators. On these pictures, focus on the edge, and what you can see of the foil, and not the scratches. This is at 200x optical. All edges except for the diamond hone edge are bright and shiny without flaw to the naked eye.

Everything is given a light leather strop to make sure no trash is left on the edge. The diamond stone is stropped briskly, but it would take a minute or more of heavy stropping to remove the entire foil, so I stopped at about 20 seconds.

Kitayama 8k - a slightly nicer version of the king 8k, and slightly finer.
https://s8.postimg.org/5t2diyf6d/kitayama.jpg

Ezelap 600 - settled in - a new one would be a lot more brash - this is brash enough.
https://s8.postimg.org/x3noqv2np/ezelap.jpg

A large ohira suita (a nice stone - it's sort of a rumor that the japanese finish stones are super ultra fine - they're dependent on the hardness of the steel to achieve a really really fine edge that's beyond something the kitayama. Their abrasive isn't as strong as modern heavy concentration al-ox stones, which is why the wider range that's hardness dependent)
https://s8.postimg.org/o8mugcll1/ohira.jpg

Formax green compound - this is the one where we field comments often about its spurious nature. Used on balsa. It's 70% al-ox, and some part of 30 is chrome ox. It's an extremely useful wax stick. Soft, and applies easily if you don't apply it too heavily and you use a drop of mineral oil. It cuts almost as fast as a finish stone but leaves a fine edge. The speed eliminates impatience mistakes or mistakes of repetition on a soft surface (rounding over edges).
https://s8.postimg.org/d91n4rib9/formax.jpg

Hand american 0.5 chrome ox on balsa. This is a powder that's no longer available easily in the states from shaving suppliers. Hand and a shop called star shaving sold it *cheap*, like $9.99 for 125 grams of powder. Danger if you have a shirt that you like - it's a pigment. The line for this stuff in the razor community is that if you want to get the most out of it, you need to bring an already finished edge to it. I'm not sure what preceded the powder, but probably the suita or another similar stone. You can see it smudges what's there, but it would take a lot of repetition to really remove everything (this kind of thing would be a complete waste of time - that could perhaps be 2 minutes of swiping it around after an edge that already shaves hair).
ttps://s8.postimg.org/w1di8awp1/0.5_chrome_ox_powder.jpg

And the autosol. This is why I said it's a waste of time to go beyond autosol. This is done on smooth horse butt leather that's clean. I probably stropped it on bare leather afterward, and the dots on all of these edges (if they are there) is just tiny tiny oil droplets from my strop, which I scrape and oil from time to time to make sure it's not got contaminants, and that it's smooth. Dumbest thing in the world is bringing something to a strop and nicking the edge on it.
https://s8.postimg.org/uz3bpso6d/autosol.jpg

The forgiveness of the horse butt (which isn't much, but a little) makes the autosol cut more finely than it would, as does the lubricant with it (i believe it's 3 micron al-ox). The edge is wonderful, good enough for anything. The larger particle size than a micro compound makes it faster to use, which is also good. You have both a better chance of completing your sharpening job, and a better chance of eliminating errors of overrepetition.

Autosol on horse butt can have a tiny wire edge, as can the formax compound, and the others. A very light strop on a clean smooth strop is never a bad thing.

(I chose not to waste my time finishing a chisel with chrome ox after already finishing with something like a sigma power 13k, which is a 0.73 micron abrasive sized stone, and I chose not to do the same and follow with .09 micron iron oxide, though if you wanted to spend ten minutes, you could make a bevel look like a window pane.

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