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Re: realize significant gains???

David Weaver
Most of us aren't doing work like Peter does. He does most of his roughing with green wood, and finishes planing with wood that he calls dry, but is likely not nearly as dry and harsh as kiln dried white oak would be. Thomas MacDonald had a much different take on white oak with standard carving tools - something along the lines of "it's murder on the edges, you'll be doing a lot of sharpening". I'd imagine his stock is kiln dried.

None of us need anything any better, but the issue for chisels and plane irons is two things:
1) how long does it hold an edge
2) how fine of an edge is it

Well, that's plane irons.

For chisels, to me, it's how low can it go without chipping, and how long does it last when it gets there.

As far as productivity goes, none of us would be working with hand tools if productivity was really an issue. Were it really an issue for larry, he would've gotten a wider jointer. For me, it's convenience and having a tool that stays sharp longer. I like that. I don't really need to worry about the opinion of a speaker or a historian about it, I like it regardless of what their value is on it, and I would imagine a lot of other folks will feel the same way.

I'd love to have some powder metal chisels and plane irons, but it's likely not going to happen because I don't need it and I already have so much stuff I should have my head examined.

I did, however, get into HSS irons because of cocobolo billets for infill planes and totes. I was using A2 irons some particularly glinty (silica filled ones that the little shiny bits in them wink at you) blanks when after literally thicknessing a square piece the size of a bailey tote about 1/8th with a jack plane, i'd have a dull iron and then with fitting full-size infill parts and trying to concentrate on getting a visually tight fit with the metal (that is, planing the billets to within a thousandth or two in all dimensions, I'd get just a few good swipes out of an A2 iron or a high carbon iron in a smoother (then to fairly dull and then just plain unable to use), and on the second one, just ordered a muji to finish the work. I finished the fitting work on that plane and the last one (a panel smoother) with two sharpenings.

I guess that describes that it's not that important, I could've muddled through the planes with the old irons, lots of people have in the past. Relief current and future was just $50 away, though. Finding more good dry 4" thick properly oriented cocobolo has proven to be a bit of a challenge.

I think 3V chisels will get to a point they're not that expensive. Once they do, there's really no reason for someone who isn't a beginner to not buy them unless you don't like they style they come in.

We've all lusted over the ability of the better japanese chisels to hold an edge with little chipout and great wear resistance. I don't know why we'd moan and groan about the quality of cheap white #2 chisels (which usually do much better than vintage western chisels for edge holding and get just as sharp) and then say cheap O1 and plainer steels that are hardened in the mid 50s are all we'd ever need, and the rest of this stuff is a waste of time. The reasoning just doesn't make a lot of sense.

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hardness, toughness
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