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realize significant gains???

Larry Williams
You say "...forward-thinking craftspersons who stand to realize significant gains by upgrading to 3V and M4 steels..." Really? What would those gains be? I do a lot of hand tool work and, in a six-day week, I'd be shocked if I spend half an hour sharpening the tools I work with as long as sharpening floats isn't included. Maybe someone like Andrew who has no choice about woods has a different take but we an incredible array of commercial timbers from which to choose. I don't know about dealing with the silica in Australian woods or even the silica in bamboo. I do know that the same Chinese bamboo that's used in fly rods is the source of silica for the nutritional supplement/vitamin industry.

High speed steel isn't all that new, it's been commercially available for a century. It was adopted by the metal working industry quickly but wasn't used in woodworking hand tools. Oh, BTW, tool steel is pretty old and the availability of the abrasives to sharpen it changed over time. The steel didn't evolve around the abrasives, if anything, it's the other way around.

BTW #2, the test of a master blade smith has almost nothing to do with hand plane irons. I don't think I've ever read of anyone here suggesting pounding their plane iron edge into a bolt. I have seen a number of discussions about whether it better protects a plane's iron to put a plane down on its sole or its side. Apples and apples? I don't think so.

I'm sure abrasive manufacturers and knife makers are giddy with glee over the prospect of new products and markets. You might want to talk to Don Naples the developer of the LapSharp sharpening system. While diamond films are available that would work on his machine, he doesn't recommend them. Diamonds are relatively slow cutting and they break down quickly. They're also expensive if you want to do more than minor maintenance. A grinding wheel for our diamond grinder runs $160 vs. $7 for our regular grinders.

There are readily available abrasives that cut regular tool steel faster than diamonds. These are less expensive, easier to use and donít require searching out and preparing special substrates. I donít see a reason to look to diamonds to sharpen regular woodworking tools.

We use M-42, M-2, C-2, C-5, C-6, O-1, W-1 and all kinds of abrasives in our shop. We try to use what ever is appropriate. We don't use the equivalent of Rolex watches in our shop. As Joel once told me, "No one buys a Rolex to tell time."

From Shop Smith to Fesstool and from honing guides to laser attachments for hand saws tool manufacturers have been offering the promise of buying oneís way out of learning a few simple skills. None of this stuff is rocket science, itís all pretty easy to learn. More expensive doesnít necessarily mean better or more efficient. When weíre out doing workshops I see some of those who buy into things like D-2 plane irons. Invariably they are those who havenít learned basic sharpening or have a sharpening system thatís so cumbersome they canít manage it.

Iím waiting for someone to make a hand scraped, platinum bodied plane infilled with the heart wood of the last surviving example of some wood species and inlaid with the bones of the last known surviving example of some animal and with a ceramic iron. Itíll be a really expensive piece of mantle jewelry for someone who gathers woodworking trophies.

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