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Hi, Andrew! (and a couple things I left out above)

David Barnett
Yes, I absolutely do remember you as a progenitor, and far more recently, in the WC archives -- http://tinyurl.com/47k8uh6 -- and elsewhere. I really should've mentioned you, but limited myself to more recent WC posters. Great to have you check in!

"There's nothing wrong with the O1 or Cr-V steels, but they don't work so well on anything with embedded silica."

I agree. In fact, I have a great fondness for O1 and prefer it for many woodworking and even some metalworking uses. It's cheap, ubiquitous, easily-worked, very forgiving in everything from forging to heat treat, and is the workhorse of so many hand tool woodworkers, count me among them.

The old Cr-V steels, not so much, although I used them in the my Primus for years. I'll say here, because I didn't say it in my last post, that I completely understand where Larry's coming from on the Marples Blue Chips and the Record blades. I immediately replaced my Record LA block plane blade with a Hock in the mid-'90s (the Primus Cr-V was a harder, better blade).

Perhaps I failed to make a clear distinction between the usual Cr-V suspects and the powder Cr-V steels. What I probably should've said is that the 'S'-series CPM offerings have come a long way from those earlier Cr-V alloys, but I couldn't say everything, although I'm sure there are those who'll contend I tried. :)

While I'm thinking about it, I should also make another distinction -- I do realize that M2 and other HSS hand tools are on the market; HNT Gordon, Innovator HSS insert chisels, and many others. But I was speaking more specifically to what Larry apparently calls exotics, as he puts it (the CPM powder steels, I'm supposing), which I wouldn't imagine includes older standbys such as M2. If he does consider and was talking about vanilla HSS for hand tools as exotic, then I'm at a loss.

Lately, HSS hand tools have entered the mainstream and become an accepted standard, perhaps more so in Europe than in the USA, however. DICK GmbH carries a lot of HSS tools these days, including the Herdim luthier knives, and also hard, tough Chinese HSS chisels with truly useful blade shapes that I like a lot. Cheap, too.

Even so, although I see these tools being touted for their edge-holding, I still don't believe they're marketed as "magic-bullet steel with 'long lasting edges' as a solution to a lack of basic sharpening skills", an exaggeration of which I wish I could disabuse Larry.

"I've given advice to several plane and blade manufacturers when asked for. It's not a problem for me, and I don't take sides."

Yours is a sound and sane position. I'm admittedly partisan, although not an indiscriminate eschewer of older steels and ways of working for anything new that comes along. And while facts may speak for themselves, all very good for metallurgists such as yourself, I'll be damned if I'll let that happen on my watch. Obviously.

"When working old-growth Eucalypt, the Stanley irons last 6 feet of planing length, the Record Cr-V irons lasted about 18 feet and M2 irons lasted several hundred feet."

When you're planing sand with wood in it, that pretty much says it all.

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