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 "The Moringa Community: A Humanitarian Woodworking Effort in Ghana" a Special Guest Chat with JEFFRY LOHR Woodworker, Teacher, Humanitarian Organizer with host Ellis Walentine Wednesday, January 26, 2009, 9:30 pm EST CLICK HERE to read Jeffry's biographical information. |
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| Ellis | Good evening, and welcome to the WoodCentral Chat Room. Our special guest tonight is Jeffry Lohr, director of the Lohr School of Woodworking and the Moringa Community Project in Ghana. Thanks for being with us, Jeff.... |
| Jeffry Lohr | I didn't think it would be fashionable to turn up late to a thing like this, so Jeffry Lohr is in the building. |
| Ellis | You are the perfect guest, Jeff. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We will see, ha ha. |
| Ellis | I'm very glad that you could be here tonight. I have long admired your woodworking and design skills, and I'm particularly inspired by your work in Africa. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Thank you Ellis. |
| jimslim | How is the West Africa project coming? |
| John_S | So what's the latest news from Ghana, Jeff? |
| Ellis | I think we're all wondering about the state of play in Ghana, Jeff. |
| Ellis | Jeff is an ace furnituremaker and instructor, so woodworking questions are welcome, but he's also a woodworker with a mission, and I hope we can talk about that as well. |
| jimslim | Jeff, didn't you have an appentise from Ghana staying with you? |
| wilbur | Jeff, I had a chance to look at your website, and it sure is impressive what you are doing. How often/long are you in Ghana for this work? |
| Jeffry Lohr | His name was Abubakar, and he lived with us for three months this past summer. |
| Ellis | How do others sign up to help your cause? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well the amazing thing is that this entire mission is only 8 months old. |
| jimslim | Is he running the school now in Africa? |
| John_S | How did you manage to teach him? His woodworking culture must be totally different to ours here in the US |
| Jeffry Lohr | If people are really interested in the Ghana project they need to visit www.moringacommunity.org |
| WCMike | Type here Good Evening Jeff, I have a woodworking question. I am just finishing a Mission-style sideboard made from quartersawn white oak. Short of fuming the finish, do you have any recommendations for a classic mission-style finish that you would recommend by rubbing or brushing on? | Charles | Are there cabinetmakers in Ghana? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Fuming is actually pretty dangerous. |
| Ellis | What finishes do you suggest to your students? |
| Jeffry Lohr | I am going to tell you something here but I want you to understand to be very careful with it and research how to use it before you do it. A lye solution will turn White oak brown |
| Ellis | Lye darkens a lot of woods. I've used it on cherry. |
| JohnP | Isn't that also a bit dangerous? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yep. It is an old recipe, dangerous as all get out. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Saftey glasses, an apron, and rubber gloves. |
| Ellis | And a vinegar bath afterwards? |
| Jeffry Lohr | but I am not real keen on talking about this. |
| Ellis | Ok, let's don't. |
| Ellis | What finishes do you recommend after the darkening process? |
| Jeffry Lohr | there are some things that are done that really need a lengthy explanation and they are best left for a text book. |
| jimslim | I have an ash sofa table from class still with no finish on it. I'm afraid to ruin it. Anything simple to use? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well, the wood is oxidized a bit by now |
| Jeffry Lohr | so I think a real safe finish is Waterlox. |
| Ellis | My old standby. |
| Jeffry Lohr | You can't beat it for simplicity. |
| Bob_in_NJ | one of my new favorites |
| Ellis | So you like to wipe varnish. |
| jimslim | You taught so much good stuff. I couldn't remember it all. Oh yeah waterlox!! Now I remember. |
| Jeffry Lohr | good for you Jimslim, ha ha! |
| Roland | Jeff, how are you doing on your big table? |
| Ellis | You used to do a linseed oil finish followed by lacquer as I recall. Is that still acceptable? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well Rob, Eoin and I just finished up the top today. The base is on its way. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We are trying to get ready for the Philadelphia Inviational Furniture Show in March. |
| John_W. | Finished with Waterlox, I assume? |
| Jeffry Lohr | I'll be showing all new work this time. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Believe it or not, no more Arts & Crafts |
| RW_Spiece | The top looks quite stunning, I must say....and the base has been an adventure in design and massive glue usage. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Hey, glad you spoke up RW... |
| Roland | What are the dates of the show in Philly? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Rw Spice is my journeyman cabinetmaker that has been with me for 3 years now. |
| Mike | no more A&C? I guess your gallery needs updating... |
| Jeffry Lohr | Eoin is my other super guy, he has been with me for 2 years. |
| wilbur | Why are you moving away from A&C? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well you have to go to the freeform/live-edge section |
| Charles | cool |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well Wilbur, very good question. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Wilbur asks why I am moving away from Arts & Crafts; the fact is I still love the look and the style but there is good reason to move on. |
| RW_Spiece | You can buy Arts & Crafts furniture at Target now. |
| Ellis | Such as it is, RW. |
| RW_Spiece | True, enough |
| Charles | I love Arts & Crafts Furniture | Jeffry Lohr | I do too, Charles. ' |
| Charles | I wont to build a piece in Arts and Craft Style |
| Jeffry Lohr | AS you may know, we make a significant part of our lving from building furntiture |
| John_S | Hey, Jeff, I've been looking at your website. The woodworking 101 courses look really interesting, but as a beginning woodworker, I'm wondering if this is the best way to start for someone at my level. What do you think? Any of you ex-students have a view? |
| WCMike | Tool question; when I took your class in 2006(?) you mentioned Adam your apprentice had a Grizzly cabinet saw and for the price point was an excellent saw. What are your thoughts on the new Grizzly saw with the riving knife? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Ellis, I think you may be able to back me up on this statement, but I believe it is safe to say that I was among the first studio furniture makers to start showing Arts & Crafts-inspired work in the early 90’s in such venues as ACC Baltimore, Long's Park, and the Philadelphia Furniture Show. |
| Ellis | I'll vouch for that. |
| Jeffry Lohr | So in the early 90's being one of the few, the stuff walked off the floor. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Being one of the first and having such an extensive collection of every single type of household furniture in the line, it was not unusual to be booked out 3 years in advance. |
| JohnP | Is Arts & Crafts and Mission one and the same, or is there a difference? |
| Mike | John S - as former student; yes...you will learn |
| Jeffry Lohr | John, very good question. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Mission-style furniture is pretty much painfully rectilinear. |
| clarkbaker | JOhn-S . it is an amazing class and well worth your time. . |
| RW_Spiece | We pride ourselves on giving every student an individual experience, from beginner to seasoned professional. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Arts & Crafts takes the style to another level. |
| Charles | both use oak right? | Jeffry Lohr | Arts & Crafts is more interpretive. |
| Jeffry Lohr | It is not just a look it is a way of designing |
| WCMike | I took Jeff's Woodworking 101 class and it was outstanding. He teaches you the correct way to woodworking tasks and even more importantly the safe way. Worth every penny and then some, assuming you are lucky enough to get a spot. |
| Jeffry Lohr | It has purpose-made joinery throughout. |
| jimslim | How did you come to embrace freeform live edge? |
| Jeffry Lohr | hey Thanks WC Mike! |
| RW_Spiece | I think one thing that has made Jeff's furniture so unique is that he didn't feel the need to only use white oak. The color and depth of walnut and cherry really make his A&C furniture what it is. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I was trying to get to that. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Ha, this can go in a lot of directions. |
| Charles | The reason I like Arts & Crafts and Misson furniture is because I like building with oak |
| Jeffry Lohr | I still accept commissions in my own Arts & Crafts interpretive style, but to make a living as a furniture maker you do really shoot yourself in the foot if you are making what everyone else is making. |
| John_W. | So are you going as much live edge as possible? |
| frank_b | Jeff, is your sawmill up and running and how does that come into play with your new live edge work? |
| RW_Spiece | It's funny that as just as we're moving out of the A&C direction, we are starting to use more and more white oak. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Even though the style is still hot , you really can’t swing a dead cat these days without running into dozens of Arts & Crafts and Mission style furniture makers. In my book, when Ethan Allen starts making things similar to the work of studio furniture makers, it is time to move on. |
| Charles | Yes I've agree Jeffry |
| Ellis | A lot of woodworkers get into the A&C vein because of the familiar aesthetic and the relatively regular construction, interpretative or not. It is definitely a platform for expression as well. |
| Jeffry Lohr | So enter live edge free form work. |
| Ellis | Nakashima was onto that idiom. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We now have our own mill and can make alot of our stock ourselves. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yes, you got it ellis. |
| Ellis | Let the wood speak for itself. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I guess what has made Arts & Crafts and mission style furniture so popular among woodworkers is that fact that you have a lot of straight lines to it. |
| Ellis | Furniture for Everyman |
| Jeffry Lohr | From a production standpoint, it’s comparably easy to make in contrast to radically curved work. |
| Charles | I pefer building Shaker Furniture | Jeffry Lohr | A mantra that is spoken by many professional furniture makers like myself is that profitability of a project is inversely proportional to the number of curves you have in the work. |
| John_S | There seems to be rather a lot of curved forms in the pics I can see on the website of the new stuff... |
| JohnP | I've read that before. |
| Ellis | ...unless you're jigged up to make those curves efficiently. |
| Mike | Ah... the secret of profit |
| Ellis | Stands to reason |
| Jeffry Lohr | Now many a non-professional may say, “hey I think curved work is great” or “Hey, I do curves all the time, they aren’t so bad” The key here is, are your creations your sole source of income? |
| jimslim | Jeff gotta go.... Keep up the great work! and Please stay in good health!!!! |
| Ellis | Jeff, what makes your classes different from all the other workshops out there? |
| Ellis | How many students do you have at any given session? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Ten. Each student has his own bench. |
| Ellis | And what's special about your course of instruction? |
| Ellis | What do they learn? |
| Ellis | Is there a skill level that you teach to, or does everyone get instruction suited to his/her particular level? |
| Jeffry Lohr | The key is, however, that we have 3 tablesaws, 4 jointers, 3 thickness planers and 3 instructors, so beleive me, it is very unsuaual for anyone to have to wait arround in line. |
| Charles | thats a lot of tools Jeffry |
| Charles | you have a bandsaw in your shop? |
| Jeffry Lohr | yes |
| Ellis | Jeff, can people sign up online for your classes? |
| FredD | how do you handle liability issues Jeff? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yes, there is usually a waiting list but anyone that really wants to get in will get in. |
| Jeffry Lohr | You just have to go to www.jefflohr.com |
| Roland | Jeff first teaches about reading the wood that you have at hand and deciding how to memorialize its natural beauty. Then he demonstrates a variety of approaches to woodworking techniques and assists each student to make their own decisions and to advance as far as possible with their level of skills. |
| RW_Spiece | I think what's special about the course is that each student starts with three rough sawn boards and each has their own separate journey into making a table. Those that are more advanced can be challenged and those that are just beginning are guided. We do make a point of not doing anything for our students. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Thank you Roland that was a good description. |
| mike_in_montana | Jeff, I have taken your classes two times. Each time was worth several times the cost and the time involved, including my travel from Montana to Swenksville. |
| Ellis | So, Roland and RW, you are Jeff's assistants? |
| RW_Spiece | I am....Roland took the course a few months ago. |
| Ellis | Aha. |
| Roland | I was a student last September |
| Ellis | Excellent. |
| John_W. | I thought it was worth it but I only had to come from Michigan. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Ha, what a trip John. |
| Ellis | I'm only 45 minutes from Schwenksville. I need to visit more often. |
| John_S | Do you really have people coming from all across the country? |
| John_W. | One day out, one day back! |
| mike_in_montana | Mike in Montana here. Ther is nothing like Jeff's instruction. I have traveled through various states taking classes. Jeff is the only one worth taking. |
| Jeffry Lohr | What a nice thing to Say mike,,! |
| Ellis | That's saying a lot. |
| Ellis | Jeff, not to change the subject too abruptly, but how did you get involved with the community in Ghana? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well I'll try to make this as short as possible, it is a rather lengthy story. |
| Ellis | Bullet points, please.. :) |
| mike_in_montana | Speaking of Ghana, I have contributed to Jeff's effort in the four figures, not enough but enought to tell you that it is a worthwhile cause. Every dollar goes to Ghana, not like other charities. |
| Jeffry Lohr | You know I am hopeful people here will take a look at www.moringacommunity.org |
| Ellis | We're running banners. I hope people are checking in. |
| Ellis | Can woodworkers help in other ways besides direct monetary contributions? |
| Bob_in_NJ | I looked the site over a bit today. I was impressed with the Third World machine setup, very clever. |
| Jeffry Lohr | The amazing thing about the project is that 90% of it's entire funding has been from students of the J.D.Lohr School of Woodworking |
| mike_in_montana | It is astounding what Jeff put together for a shop to work in Ghana, costing so little money. I cannot urge you enough to support this effort. |
| Jeffry Lohr | we pride ourselves on what Mike in Montana says. |
| Charles | Yes |
| Ellis | That's great. Now how do you reach out to the rest of the world? |
| Jeffry Lohr | This project is nearly a full time job and everyone does it for no pay. It is just the right thing to do. |
| Jeffry Lohr | In fact, several of our staff are past students, including our accountant Frank Ruff. |
| Ellis | I keep thinking that there must be foundations that fund this sort of effort' |
| Bob_in_NJ | Bill and Melinda Gates come to mind.... |
| Jeffry Lohr | Our Fiscal sponsor was a past student |
| mike_in_montana | Yes, Jeff says it all. It is the right thing to do. Jeff and his wife have expanded this so much that each and every dollar reaps several dollars of benefit. My recommendation is just transfer the money to Jeff. You cannot find anyone else more honest. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Now boy would we love to connect with Bill and Milanda Gates |
| Charles | They would be somebody to contact Bob |
| Charles | Thats great idea Bob. |
| Bob_in_NJ | Have you attempted to contact them? |
| Roland | I have wondered about EXXON and SHELL Foundations since they have so much oil production in Africa. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We have written everone many times. ' |
| Jeffry Lohr | and Oprah too! |
| Jeffry Lohr | ..but it has just been students and friends that have made this happen to date. |
| mike_in_montana | Bill and Melinda seem to be off on their own, on AIDS and such, and it is so sad that the Ghana project is not visible enough. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I guess I should explain a bit what specifically was done . |
| John_W. | Get Abu to send them emails. He'll never give up! |
| Ellis | Maybe you need a success story in Ghana to convince major donors that your concept can work for the rest of the Third World. |
| Bob_in_NJ | Yes I got that impression from looking over the Gates foundation web info. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We need all the help we can get |
| mike_in_montana | We need someone who has a connection to make this more visible, someone who knows someone. |
| Jeffry Lohr | ...but amazingly we have made enourmous progress. |
| JohnP | I must run. I will check out the web site. Jeff, thanks and I wish you well on your noble effort. |
| Jeffry Lohr | The foundation was just poured for our training center on nine acres of land we acquired in the village of Bako, central region. |
| mike_in_montana | Lastly, might we all on this chat agree to send our own contributions? Not a bad start. |
| Jeffry Lohr | hey mike, now you are on a roll,, |
| Ellis | I'll be happy to donate. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We made a machine that Third World woodworkers can easily make for themselves. |
| Ellis | I just wonder how you might get other American woodworkers to help in other ways as well? |
| Ellis | How about donating their unused routers and skilsaws? |
| Bob_in_NJ | You might look at marketing that machine design to fund the Ghana project.... |
| Jeffry Lohr | There is a problem with that, Ellis. We need 230-volt machines. |
| mike_in_montana | Jeff, I only wish I could do more. When I have seen what you have done, it brings tears to my eyes and humbles me. |
| Ellis | Ah, so you need European models? |
| Jeffry Lohr | yes |
| Jeffry Lohr | 230 volt 50 hertz |
| Ellis | How about voltage converters? |
| Ellis | Transformers |
| Jeffry Lohr | We have been trying to get tool companies to donate circular saws and routers but so far no luck, which is really foolish on their part. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I think this is going to be pretty big in Ghana at least. |
| wilbur | Have to get to bed -- this has been fascinating. Thanks jeff, Ellis! |
| Ellis | I see it as having much wider application |
| Bob_in_NJ | Nite wilbur |
| Ellis | Bye Wilbur |
| Jeffry Lohr | For $500 they essentially will have a tablesaw, jointer, and planer |
| mike_in_montana | I wonder whether General of Quebec might help? It just came out with machines for the handicapped. |
| Roland | Is this a project that would fit with Heifer Project? |
| Jeffry Lohr | You know Roland we have been trying to work that angle. |
| Jeffry Lohr | People could buy a Euro circular saw for an African Carpenter |
| Jeffry Lohr | The key with this project is to help Africans help themsevles. |
| Jeffry Lohr | It is not just charity; it is to create a cottage industry enviorment and economy. |
| Ellis | What other foundations are trying to enable impoverished communities? |
| Bob_in_NJ | Yes, I like that whole aspect of the project, one of those 'teach a man to fish' type things |
| mike_in_montana | That is the point. Each and every dollar goes to helping them help themselves. It is not a handoout. |
| Charles | Yes I think its a great project |
| Roland | The Kellog Foundation and World Bank have large community development projects |
| Roland | The PEW Foundation also funds a lot of large projects for education and community development |
| Ellis | Well, I do think it would be good to piggyback with a larger charity. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I know it is getting late for those on the East Coast here tonight so before a lot of people leave I want to be srue they know to connect to our websites sometime. www.moringacommunity.org and |
| Charles | Jeffry you teach the students hand tool use as well? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yes we do Charles. |
| Jeffry Lohr | The way the class works is this. |
| mike_in_montana | Yes, it is good for us to brainstrom on getting bigger entites to help. My best estimate is that we need to continue plodding along, each of us helping Jeff and his team keep it going by funding what we can. In time, this will become further noticed and then things will happen. Meanwhile, it takes you and I to keep it going to see it through. An accomplishment is not easy and is easy to dismiss, but so what. That is just what it takes. |
| Jeffry Lohr | You send a good message, Mike! |
| Jeffry Lohr | Charles the way the class works is we teach everything three different ways: first we do each joint by strictly hand tools; next we do the same joint with hand held powertools; and finally with stationary machines. |
| Ellis | Well, the WoodCentral community is always behind selfless efforts like this. Not everyone is in a position to donate vast sums (we're woodworkers after all), but there is a viral marketing aspect to all this. If we can tell friends and have them tell friends, the word spreads. I think that marketing is a key element here. |
| Charles | I am just one of them folks that does all of the finish work with hand tools |
| Jeffry Lohr | The woodworking student picks what best suits there home shop |
| Ellis | That's an interesting way to teach the gamut of skills, Jeff. |
| Jeffry Lohr | It works well. |
| Bob_in_NJ | thats a great method |
| John_S | Do you teach how to set up and maintain machine tools? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yes John.. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We demonstrate how to tune your tablesaw, how to change the knives in your jointer and planer. The essentials.how to tune a jointer and planer to cut as well as it can. A jointer should never ever have any snipe. A planer should not have it either but a lot do. Most times you can tune it out. |
| Ellis | Do you get into design aesthetics, or mostly the mechanics of joinery? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Yes we spend time on design, and also how to make a drawing and a full bill of materials. |
| Mike | Jeffry - you were planning a video a while back.What is prospect of that happening? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Mike I know you have heard that repeatedly. Yes we are still working on it but it is not ready for JQ.Public yet. |
| Ellis | Well, I'd like to be the fly on the wall sometime when you're in session, Jeff. |
| Jeffry Lohr | We can talk about that Ellis. \ |
| Jeffry Lohr | I think you would find the experience here unique. |
| Ellis | I'm sure. It was unique 15 years ago when I first visited you. |
| Jeffry Lohr | You haven't seen the new 3,600 sq ft shop and the 2,400 sq. ft sawmill building Ellis. ' |
| Jeffry Lohr | You got to come. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I'll treat you to a beer. |
| Ellis | I definitely want to continue to support your efforts overseas. Let me know how I can help. |
| Jeffry Lohr | or well water if you prefer. |
| Ellis | And, I'll take you up on that beer. |
| Bob_in_NJ | 6K sq feet of sawmill and shop, sounds like a vacation resort!:) |
| Jeffry Lohr | Well we now can take donations directly to MoringaCommunity.Org |
| Charles | Makes my little shop looks like peanuts :) |
| Ellis | Tax deductible? |
| Jeffry Lohr | We are a legal noprofit now so donations are fully tax deductible. ' |
| Bob_in_NJ | Excellent, you got your 501.c3 status filed? |
| Jeffry Lohr | Charles, my first shop was the second floor of an apartment. |
| Charles | ok |
| Ellis | Set up a PayPal account for yourself. It makes it easier to donate. |
| Jeffry Lohr | I have to do that, and about 1,000 other things. I don't want to have another heart attack. |
| Bob_in_NJ | Yes, Paypal will let you setup subscription-type monthly donations etc. |
| clarkbaker | I took Jeff's class last Nov. It was everything he represented on his website. Frankly I was afraid of some of my tools and not as respectful of others. Jeff taught the tools and the safe way to use them. His Ghana project is fully worthwhile. . . as is his class. |
| clarkbaker | Have to bail . . thanks Jeff. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Hey one thing I will warn folks here |
| Jeffry Lohr | I get up at 6 am so 11pm Eastern is my bed time. |
| Bob_in_NJ | We're all Old, Jeff, :) |
| Ellis | I get up at 4am, so I'm already past mine... :) |
| Mike | better than alternative to being old |
| Ellis | Okay, well I'll wrap things up at this point. |
| Bob_in_NJ | I watch TV with my eyes closed for an hour or two every night |
| Ellis | Thanks Jeff for coming out to talk to us tonight. |
| Jeffry Lohr | Ellis and everyone, it was my pleasure. Thanks for having me. |
| Ellis | I hope that some of our WoodCentral folks contribute in some way to your cause, and take your classes. |
| Bob_in_NJ | Jeff, thanks, this has been a great chat, hope to see you back here soon. |
| John_S | Thanks for your advice and enthusiasm, Jeff. Your ex-students are great advocates for you |
| Ellis | Yeah, your guys are great. You've taught them well. |
| Jeffry Lohr | They are the best John,,,, look what they did for my (our) Ghana project |
| Ellis | The key is going to be to get beyond your inner circle. I hope we can help somehow. |
| Jeffry Lohr | That would be wonderful Ellis, I have been trying to do that for the past 6 months, but I am proud what I, Eoin, Rob, my wife Linda and our the students have done. |
| Ellis | You have a dedicated following. |
| Jeffry Lohr | They are great. |
| Ellis | See you all later. Jeff, I'll see you soon! |
| Jeffry Lohr | I love them all. ' |
About Jeffry Lohr:Jeffry Lohr is an accomplished studio furniture maker and woodworking teacher who runs a state-of-the-art furniture studio, school and sawmill at his 13-acre horse farm in Schwenksville, PA. Jeffry is well-known for his unique Arts & Crafts furniture and his more recent live-edge, free-form furniture, which graces the homes of collectors in 30 states across the country. Since 2001, over 580 students have participated in his hands-on, machine-based woodworking course aptly entitled "Practical Woodworking," taught by Jeffry and his two assistants and offered as one-week-long sessions eight times a year. In 2008, Jeffry and his wife Linda founded Moringacommunity.org, a non-profit philanthropic project that seeks to bring cottage industry education to West Africa and to provide hope for a brighter, more self-sufficient Africa through the creation of sustainable small local economies. Through their efforts and those of a poor yet remarkably intelligent and resourceful native African named Abu, they have secured a nine-acre parcel of land in Ghana. Funded almost entirely by alumni of the J.D. Lohr School of Woodworking, the first Moringa Community Training Center is already under construction. For more information on the Moringa Community visit their website: http://www.moringacommunity.org/ | |